Looking for speakers comparable to Totem Forest

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Obviously, our definitions of homeopathy are quite different. Mine revolves around looking at the individual as a whole, examining lifestyle, diet, etc. in trying to understand the root cause for the physical malady. It also includes the belief in physical therapy, appropriate forms of bio-feedback. Most importantly, looking for the cause instead of just treating the symptom

Yours, from what I am to gather is based upon ads in the back of magazines and the cure-all crowd, along with the 19 year old behind the counter at a vitamin store who starts a sentence with "Dude".

Back to subs. I've heard plenty of good subs, along with some bad ones. Just because it is servo-controlled doesn't make a sub better. Once again, it's all about resolution, detail.

 

[GirgleMirt]

Obviously, our definitions of homeopathy are quite different. Mine revolves around looking at the individual as a whole, examining lifestyle, diet, etc. in trying to understand the root cause for the physical malady.

It also includes the belief in physical therapy, appropriate forms of bio-feedback. Most importantly, looking for the cause instead of just treating the symptom

Yours, from what I am to gather is based upon ads in the back of magazines and the cure-all crowd, along with the 19 year old behind the counter at a vitamin store who starts a sentence with "Dude".

Your definition is simply wrong. Webster: "a system of medical practice that treats a disease especially by the administration of minute doses of a remedy that would in larger amounts produce symptoms in healthy persons"
Princeton edu: # S: (n) homeopathy, homoeopathy (a method of treating disease with small amounts of remedies that, in large amounts in healthy people, produce symptoms similar to those being treated)

etc etc etc. You can call a cow a dog, but in the end, cows don't bark. Maybe you're getting homeopathy mixed up with something else... Homeopathy is clearly defined, you can't ignore it's rightful definition and replace it with your own delusional views of it...

Even homeopathy websites selling the tap water as medicine say so: http://abchomeopathy.com/ : Homeopathic remedies (also called homeopathics) are a system of medicine based on three principles:

* Like cures like
For example, if the symptoms of your cold are similar to poisoning by mercury, then mercury would be your homeopathic remedy.
* Minimal Dose
The remedy is taken in an extremely dilute form; normally one part of the remedy to around 1,000,000,000,000 parts of water.
* The Single Remedy
No matter how many symptoms are experienced, only one remedy is taken, and that remedy will be aimed at all those symptoms.

Anyhow, I don't get it, how can people be willing to be duped so easily... For christ sakes... Gun powder remedy: http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Gun water with non-existant gun powder in it, 15ml, 8.99$ Give me a break that's not what homeopathy is... "Guy who says dude behind the counter". No man, the self professional scam artists who pretend like they're selling medicine. Come on, let's not get ridiculous here... 1L of homeopathic (absolutely normal) water, 169.99$... That's homeopathy my friend.

Back to subs. I've heard plenty of good subs, along with some bad ones. Just because it is servo-controlled doesn't make a sub better. Once again, it's all about resolution, detail.

"doesn't make a sub better", better than what, an identical non-servo version? Of course it does... Do all servo subs marvelous? Probably not, but chances are that if it's servo, the servo will improve its performance:

Servo subwoofers

Some active subwoofers use a servo feedback mechanism based on cone movement which modifies the signal sent to the voice coil. The servo feedback signal is derived from a comparison of the input signal to the amplifier versus the actual motion of the cone. The usual source of the feedback signal is a few turns of voice coil attached to the cone or a microchip-based accelerometer placed on the cone itself.[35][36] An advantage of a well-implemented servo subwoofer design is reduced distortion making smaller enclosure sizes possible.[37][38] The primary disadvantages are cost and complexity.[39]

 

[just listening]

girglemirt
Now you call me delusional, you just don't get the fact that traditional western medicine has borrowed logical ideas from outside influences. 50 years ago acupuncture was thought to be crazy, worthless medicine. Science has now proven otherwise. Now I'll be happy to admit that my definition of homeopathy is at odds with Webster's. Matter-of-fact the correct term I was looking for is naturalpath. But my point is that good physicians take the time to look at the individual as a whole, instead of quickly pulling out their pad and scribbling out a prescription.

Back to the sub issue, no piece of anything is worthy unless it is designed and constructed properly. But that is only part of the equation. As one climbs the ladder of quality audio the differences between just including all the parts, and executing a great piece of gear is tremendous. It is in this area that greater resolution and detail in musical reproduction occurs.

Now, since you have crossed the line in referring to me as "delusional". I will excuse myself from responding to you further. Enjoy your Sierra's 1's.

 

[griffinconst]

Girgle - I see you took my suggestion to heart.

 

[GirgleMirt]

girglemirt
Now you call me delusional

Hehe, sorry, I think the better word would have been that you're in denial... Although delusional really fit the description too though If really you refuse to see homeopathy for what it really is. There is some good in homeopathy, for example, homeopaths will take more time with patients than real doctors, reassure the patients, talk with them... And this really has some benefits for patients.

And maybe snake oil dealers have a similar effect, they reassure that every single component of his system are just perfect and couldn't be improved, and maybe, even if he buys a power cable which costs him 250$ and make absolutely no difference, maybe he thinks he does, and gets more listening enjoyment because of this new neat power cord which makes everything just that much better...

But in the end, they're both scams. 169.99$ for a one liter bottle of water with no trace of any active medecine? No thanks... 199.99$ for a power cord which doesn't do anything more than a 2.99$ power cord? No thank you, I'll be fine... Let's not shy away from reality here...

50 years ago acupuncture was thought to be crazy, worthless medicine. Science has now proven otherwise. Now I'll be happy to admit that my definition of homeopathy is at odds with Webster's. Matter-of-fact the correct term I was looking for is naturalpath. But my point is that good physicians take the time to look at the individual as a whole, instead of quickly pulling out their pad and scribbling out a prescription.

Now, since you have crossed the line in referring to me as "delusional". I will excuse myself from responding to you further. Enjoy your Sierra's 1's.

lol delusional isn't an insult, it seemed to describe it perfectly: "delusion - (psychology) an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary". Anyhow, let's not argue semantics. Unlike homeopathy, the urth power cord, the urth power block, acupuncture had been shown, clinically, to have positive results. That's a world of a difference. Now you mistook homeopathy for naturalpath, which I've never heard of I must admit, maybe you meant naturopathy, or naturopathic medicine, but anyhow, different than homeopathy. (Not that I say this as an endorsement, as my belief is that conventional medicine is superior...) And since you now admit that your claims on homeopathy were wrong, I retract my qualifier of delusional. Obviously, you saw the light. Yay!

Back to the sub issue, no piece of anything is worthy unless it is designed and constructed properly. But that is only part of the equation. As one climbs the ladder of quality audio the differences between just including all the parts, and executing a great piece of gear is tremendous. It is in this area that greater resolution and detail in musical reproduction occurs

Pretty damn vague and ambiguous but I don't disagree with the essence... I think... But let's bring a counter intuitive notion forth: The ladder of audio quality is not based on price tags. And therefore, when one climbs the ladder of quality audio, as you put it, one will invariably not see a steady increase of price, but instead many varied and different products. Price is but an illusion.

the differences between just including all the parts, and executing a great piece of gear is tremendous. It is in this area that greater resolution and detail in musical reproduction occurs

I think that what you're trying to express is that speaker engineering plays a very important role in the quality of a product. And really, only a fool would disagree. But it's not such an intangible or mysterious field as one could expect. Science has made tremendous leaps in speaker engineering in the last 30 years, and don't get this wrong, it is a science... It is measurable, quantifiable, predictable... The crossover needs to be designed to properly integrate drivers, is it 3rd order? 4th order? 1st order? Linkwitz? Butterworth? The the drivers size and material chosen each having its ups and downs (paper, aluminium, a composite, silk, kevlar, etc), the configuration of the drivers (fullrange driver, two way, three way, MTM, planar, etc.), the size of the enclosure, the bracing, the absorbing material used inside the cabinet, if it's a ported design and not sealed, horn, TL, the driver design: it's spider, voice coil, of course the design is absolutely essential.

Some approach it in a technical way, using measurements to optimize and design their speakers... Others go more by ear... Like everything, you have different camps. Some for example believe that we, homo sapiens, evolved from primitive organisms over great lengths time; theory of evolution. Others believe the world is 5000 year old and was created by some unexplainable infinitely powerful entity; Creationism... Others believe we were put here by aliens... Who's right and who's wrong? Obviously, they all think they are right. But obviously, some are more right than others. Choose what you like and enjoy