brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
Just picked up a Lexicon DC-2 V4 on ebay, I will be replacing my Yamaha RX-V995 with it. Anyone know anything about it, I know it retailed for $3995 in 1999, has DTS, DD,& THX.

Thanks,
Brad
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I know that the measured peformance in Lexicon's black and green days were very good. Combine the Lexicon preamp with a good amplifier and you should have a dead silent noise floor, or very close to it.
 
brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
I already have external amps for all chans, just using the 995 as a preamp. If I don't like it more than the 995 I can sell it, probably at a profit, seams they are commonly going for $100-$200 more than I paid for this one.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
First off, congrats Brad to grabbin a nice piece of gear...

Would you notice a difference - I doubt it very much expect for placebo effect. 995 is a very solid unit, and unless your speakers are extremely hard to power, changing to Lex+external amp will have little effect.

More Info:
http://lexicon.com/products/details.asp?ID=7
http://lexicon.com/products/downloads.asp?ID=7

I have to disagree with you.... there are plenty of these higher end integrated and pre amps that have better DAC's and ADAC's which present a much more spacial sound stage - I have A/B'd a setup with a better pre-amp (Parasound) on a Home theater bypass (Yamaha reciever) switching back and forth with the same music input. I will state hands down the Parasound was a far better sounding product. It completely presented a deeper and wider sound stage then the Yamaha.

Unless you have compared blind like this side by side with proper instantaneous live switching to notice the difference its easy to say there won't be a difference. It was night and day for me. I would suspect the same will hold true with the Lexicon. They just have better DAC & ADAC components....
 
brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
First off, congrats Brad to grabbin a nice piece of gear...
Thanks, both the 995 and DC-2 are from the same year, The Yamaha retailed for $999, the Lex $3995. I know price isn't everything, but the reviews I read said it was a good deal at $4k, No one would have bought it if you could have got the same performance @ 1/4 the price. It may also replace my PS Audio preamp & Soundstream DAC, which I use for stereo listening (see sig), I'll have to do testing on that as well. Btw I got the DC-2 for $250+$16 shipping.

BoredSysAdmin said:
changing to Lex+external amp will have little effect
I also wanted to comment on this more, when I switched from the internal amps in the 995 to external amps (see sig), there was a very noticeable difference. I used to use the 995 for stereo listening, when I compared its internal amps to my "BIAMP" amp, with a pair of Athena S2s w/o sub (smallish 2-way spk) there was a very big difference. It was not "placebo" effect.

The design of my HT should work well, I currently run 4 surround spks, 2 on side, 2 in rear. This is a quote form a different forum post "What is very interesting with these units is their side channel availability. On the DPL unit that I heard(might have been a CP1) the side channels were marvelous and functioned similar to the side speakers in a theater on a smaller scale."

Brad
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
It doesn't have HDMI or any of the new surround formats.

I had one of those, it was a nice unit and now has a niche market that looks for them. But, it isn't like the new stuff.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Nice price on that unit.... certainly can't beat that - esp. if it upgrades your sound....

There are reasons people add in external DACs - to improve the sound field. I got the chance on a number of occasions to get a feel for some nice external DAC's - they can and do make a difference, now whether they are worth it for some is up to the user....

NAIM makes some really awesome sounding integrateds... they are quite expensive - but no question IMO that they really throw a great sound stage. My dealer carries them and i've heard most of his speakers he carries through them - very enjoyable.
http://www.naim-audio.com/
 
brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
Nice price on that unit.... certainly can't beat that - esp. if it upgrades your sound....

There are reasons people add in external DACs - to improve the sound field. I got the chance on a number of occasions to get a feel for some nice external DAC's - they can and do make a difference, now whether they are worth it for some is up to the user....

NAIM makes some really awesome sounding integrateds... they are quite expensive - but no question IMO that they really throw a great sound stage. My dealer carries them and i've heard most of his speakers he carries through them - very enjoyable.
http://www.naim-audio.com/
If the internal DAC in the DC-2 isn't better than my Soundstream DAC1 for stereo listening, I will continue to use the PS Audio & DAC1 for that. The DC-2 is all digital, meaning if I send an anolog signal to it, it will convert it to digital and then back again, I would think that would negate any advantage of a better exterior DAC. I am fairly sure the DC-2s DACs will be better, they are 10 years or so newer then the Soundstream and the Soundstream wasn't real well reviewed to start with. The Lex is a whole level or 2 higher in quality.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
I will add to the statement I made - If BoredSys had made a statement that it would be almost impossible to tell the difference between 2 different amps I would whole heartedly agree with him.... But there can be huge sound changes made with Pre-Amp and the different implementation DACs and build strategy.

The differences will be extremely slight between different amps...
 
brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
I will add to the statement I made - If BoredSys had made a statement that it would be almost impossible to tell the difference between 2 different amps I would whole heartedly agree with him.... But there can be huge sound changes made with Pre-Amp and the different implementation DACs and build strategy.

The differences will be extremely slight between different amps...
I agree to some extent on that, but I believe there are large differences (large is a relative term), especially as you move from cheap receivers to better recs. to separates.

I have a middle of the road Yamaha HTR-5650, about 5 yrs old, and my RX-V995, 10 years old. The power output is similar between the 2, 80 vs 100 wpc, but the 995 sounds much better. I believe it is due to design, from Yamaha's web site about the 995:
"DISCRETE POWER TRANSISTORS
Discrete power transistors rather than IC chips are used in the amplifier section to provide the cleanest sound possible. The amp delivers 100 watts each to the five channels."
Their web site says nothing about that feature for the 5650, that may or may not be the reason for the better sound, but it definitely is better. When I first hooked up my BIAMP Eminence 300 amp to the pre-outs of the 995 to run my old BP-10s (sold), there was a very noticeable improvement in sound quality, although both are rated 100wpc. I also tested the difference with my Athena S2's, again, noticeably better sound.

Out of my amps, they do sound very similar, although the Adcom sounds noticeably less open and detailed. That is why I use it to run my surrounds.

But this isn't about amps, I am happy with what I have and/or plan on getting in that arena (looking at an Acurus A125x5 to run center and 4 surrounds-Demote the BIAMP and Adcom to lesser systems or sell them). I will have tested the DC-2 by next weekend and report on it then.
 
brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
Got the DC-2 in and hooked up, it is a very nice piece of equipment. It is definitely better than the Yamaha, much more detailed and precise. The surround really sounds good.

Comparing it to my 2 chan (PS Audio/Soundstrem DAC) sys and the Surround using the 995, it is clearer, with better imaging and detail. But in both cases it lacks a bit of "warmth" and/or "fullness", I think that is probably just a little bit of distortion from the other preamps making it feel "warmer", I'll need a little time to get used to it. The detail & imaging, especially in stereo mode, was really quite something.

Last thing, the sub level. I never calibrated the subs when using the 995 (it had no sub test tone) I just set it where I liked it and I had it well adjusted over years of listening. When I calibrated the whole system with the DC-2 the bass/subs seamed really lacking. The system had no "oomph", sounded like a system w/o subs. I ended up boosting the sub level +5 to +7 db and It was more to my liking.

I am happy with it, and after more than a few hours of testing, I'll have better opinions.

Thanks,
Brad
 
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