they are definitely having a moment again. i hear that "nobody uses them", "front wides are dying". well a bunch of heavy hitters lately are saying that front wides are more useful in a system then an extra pair of overhead atmos speakers, or even rear surrounds. who is championing them? guys like anthony grimani, who definitely knows what he's talking about. but i am running into more problems than answers when it comes to wide channel support. i have read that support for wides was ended on a bunch of avr's a few years ago, and now that the format is getting popular again (mostly because directors\/movie sound guys are starting to use them more and more in movies) that support is starting to pick up and companies are going to include them on new models. if you look at the back of the denon avr x8500H and x6700H they have labeled speaker outputs for wide channel. also the flagship marantz. so it would seem the other avr's don't support wide. however i am also being told that in the amp assign in mid\/lower level avr's you can select wide or height in different receivers. i cannot find this verified in any of the manuals. i have also seen evidence of people getting sound out of their wides from lower priced avr's, is this being upmixed in atmos? what do you need exactly to get wides into your system these days?