Least worst option for connecting existing speakers wireless for rear surround

[PENG]

For the UMIK-1, I don't see a place to adjust sampling rate. I'm running it on a windows 10 laptop, and under sound properties I can't find anything adjustable. Way down under properties the default format is 24 bit 48k Hz but it's not changeable, but sounds like it matches what you suggest.

Honestly I like the RZ50 generally and not all that anxious to change except -- it just doesn't work. Something is "stuck", almost like a weird crossover setting, except those are normal (and I think ignored for the tests).

The Umik-1 in fact would default to 48 kHz because that's its limit, but in Dirac, there may be a place where you can set sampling rate, I am not sure about that because mine is a PC standalone version, so you have to dig in and see if Dirac/AVR has such a setting, if not then there is no issue, just ignore what I said. If there is, then make sure you set it to 48 kHz.

I have had many AVRs/AVPs over the years, and have never experience any such issues, so may be you should try a factory reset to the original out of the box setting and see what happens, nothing to lose to try things, if you are waiting for a resolution from your dealer anyway.

 

[PENG]

I agree about bass management, and I use it, as it is used to capture the LFE signal and the sub channel is sent to the lage drivers in the long lines, but the BSC signal is added to the upper of the two drivers in the bass lines. I am now sending some LFE signal to the rear speakers as they are very capable and have good output below 30 Hz. I do not use Audyssey and have never purchased Dirac.

As many have commented before about your own system, that likely are really well designed/built so you don't find RC/EQ necessary, but keep in mind there is likely not the cases for those who don't have the performance of your system., and would then most likely benefit a lot from Audyssey, Dirac Live, REW etc..

 

[Linwood]

I have had many AVRs/AVPs over the years, and have never experience any such issues, so may be you should try a factory reset to the original out of the box setting and see what happens, nothing to lose to try things, if you are waiting for a resolution from your dealer anyway.

Crutchfield is good, I am not waiting. They didn't get any real progress with Onkyo, and recommended an RMA, I had a new AVR the next day. The Denon is in and working fine (so far just with the built in Audyssey but looking at REW to do a measurement to see how well corrected it did.

I had done multiple factory resets though, once this happened it seemed "stuck".

 

[Linwood]

Dragging this back again to the original topic -- the Dynasty PROAUDIO WSA-5RP-PLUS devices.

It turns out I have a problem with those which is fairly significant and did not notice. I have two speakers hooked up for SL/SR but also a subwoofer.

When I send very low tone to the sub it's fine, but if I send a frequence sweep to it, it ALSO comes out of the SL/SR speakers.

Just to definitively ensure it's not from the AVR, I disconnected the pre-amp output to SL/SR so the transmitted had nothing but the subwoofer connected. Running the Audyssey XT32 sweep to the subwoofer comes out the SL/SR speakers.

It's like they have some high pass crossover that's sending the mid-and-above range to the other speakers.

I moved the sub to the front and off the receiver, and it works fine.

So... big time fail for these. I did not notice before, though I am not quite sure how, but mostly I think because when listening for the sub I would send it very low frequencies, which work fine (or more precisely, if they came out of the Sl/SR also, I did not actually notice).

I've written the manufacturer, but there are no adjustments (well, nothing relevant), no online menu, etc. These should be discrete channels going through, but... not.

Just FYI to anyone considering them.

 

[everettT]

Dragging this back again to the original topic -- the Dynasty PROAUDIO WSA-5RP-PLUS devices.

It turns out I have a problem with those which is fairly significant and did not notice. I have two speakers hooked up for SL/SR but also a subwoofer.

When I send very low tone to the sub it's fine, but if I send a frequence sweep to it, it ALSO comes out of the SL/SR speakers.

Just to definitively ensure it's not from the AVR, I disconnected the pre-amp output to SL/SR so the transmitted had nothing but the subwoofer connected. Running the Audyssey XT32 sweep to the subwoofer comes out the SL/SR speakers.

It's like they have some high pass crossover that's sending the mid-and-above range to the other speakers.

I moved the sub to the front and off the receiver, and it works fine.

So... big time fail for these. I did not notice before, though I am not quite sure how, but mostly I think because when listening for the sub I would send it very low frequencies, which work fine (or more precisely, if they came out of the Sl/SR also, I did not actually notice).

I've written the manufacturer, but there are no adjustments (well, nothing relevant), no online menu, etc. These should be discrete channels going through, but... not.

Just FYI to anyone considering them.

Did you receive the 3800 already? Make sure those channels are set to small, then no low frequency should go to them

 

[Linwood]

Did you receive the 3800 already? Make sure those channels are set to small, then no low frequency should go to them

Yes, and I don't see a small/large but it did calculate a crossover.

However, I unplugged the AVR pre-outs for SL and SR, so there was nothing going to the transmitted for any channel but sub, and they still came out of SL/SR on the RF Receiver amp. So the Proaudio device was deciding to distribute to those channels on its own, not via the 3800.

And when I moved the sub to the 3800 directly, the SL/SR did not make a sound when Audysessy did the test.

It physically has to be something inside the Dynasty device.

 

[Linwood]

Wow. The manufacturer says that's working as designed.

I asked (in round 2):

Just to be clear.
With NOTHING BUT THE SUBWOOFER output from the AVR hooked to the WSA transmitter.
With the SL, SR and Subwoofer hooked to the WSA receiver.
If I send a tone to the subwoofer output from the AVR, ALL THREE speakers play on the WSA receiver.
Are you saying that’s the expected behavior?

Their response:

Yes, as what we mentioned that all the inputs on the wireless transmitter are mixed, if you are using the WSA-5RP-PLUS as the "Wireless Rear Surround Speakers Kit" as what we adverted of this product, to hookup both Left and Right surrond speakers, and without connect the SUB IN/OUT on both WSA-5RP-PLUS TX/RX, then it will be no issue.

If you also need to do the subwoofer wirelessly from your Denon AVR and the powered subwoofer speaker, then you can use our WSA-5TR-V2 product to run with the WSA-5RP-PLUS. Since the WSA-5TR-V2 come with own wireless transmitter to allow you to connect the SUB OUT from the Denon AVR, so the subwoofer signal will be independent, and works separately with WSA-5RP-PLUS transmitter that connected via your Denon's SL/SR path.

The SUB IN/OUT port on the WSA-5RP-PLUS is the "additional/plus" feature to allow some of end-user to have extra option to hookup the additional speakers (such as Subwoofer) to get more bass low frequency for their sound setup application.

Honestly I can't make sense out of that word salad other than they are unsurprised that sending a signal to the subwoofer input results in sound out of all the speakers on the remote end.

I know from testing sending a signal to the SL on the input results ONLY in sound from the SL speaker, and same for SR.

But I guess the answer is "don't use a subwoofer with these". But.... wow. I can't even imagine what design they were going after.

 

[everettT]

Wow. The manufacturer says that's working as designed.

I asked (in round 2):



Their response:



Honestly I can't make sense out of that word salad other than they are unsurprised that sending a signal to the subwoofer input results in sound out of all the speakers on the remote end.

I know from testing sending a signal to the SL on the input results ONLY in sound from the SL speaker, and same for SR.

But I guess the answer is "don't use a subwoofer with these". But.... wow. I can't even imagine what design they were going after.

Yeah that reply is FUBAR, go into your speaker configuration settings and make sure the surround speakers are set to small, that should be the only way that that they don't receive bass signals . Have you done a manual check of each speaker?