Large room enclosed on right open on left thoughts on speakers. Subwoofer and receiver recommendations

-Jim-

-Jim-

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I think the C15 pillar would be too close for surround speakers. The opposite wall is very close as well. If I were you, I would skip the side surrounds and just do back surrounds. If I were you, I might just do a 5.1.2 system with two rear surrounds and two Atmos height channels in the ceiling over the sofa.

The Monoprice 12 would have a bit more powerful deep bass, but other than that they should be pretty close in performance. Keep in mind that the Monoprice 12 is a bear to handle. It is large and very heavy. The Outlaw is large and heavy too, but you will absolutely need two people to get the Monoprice 12 into place, but you might be able to handle the Outlaw by yourself (although it would still be smart to team lift that one as well). If you need to move the Monoprice 12 up or down a staircase, you will need a dolly of some kind.
I was thinking that side surround configuration as a compromise but I've never heard that configuration. (I guess I'll have to try it.)

@shadyJ Some folks here would recommend two (maybe smaller) Subs to even the base out, which would be easier to move around as well.
 
jdubs79

jdubs79

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I think the C15 pillar would be too close for surround speakers. The opposite wall is very close as well. If I were you, I would skip the side surrounds and just do back surrounds. If I were you, I might just do a 5.1.2 system with two rear surrounds and two Atmos height channels in the ceiling over the sofa.

Ok, so two back surrounds on the ceiling behind the couch is better, or were you thinking somewhere else?

The Monoprice 12 would have a bit more powerful deep bass, but other than that they should be pretty close in performance. Keep in mind that the Monoprice 12 is a bear to handle. It is large and very heavy. The Outlaw is large and heavy too, but you will absolutely need two people to get the Monoprice 12 into place, but you might be able to handle the Outlaw by yourself (although it would still be smart to team lift that one as well). If you need to move the Monoprice 12 up or down a staircase, you will need a dolly of some kind.
Ok thanks, I think we may go for the Outlaw then. What about the SVS SB 3000?
 
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shadyJ

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I was thinking that side surround configuration as a compromise but I've never heard that configuration. (I guess I'll have to try it.)

@shadyJ Some folks here would recommend two (maybe smaller) Subs to even the base out, which would be easier to move around as well.
I would say that two subs are better than one, but, for me, only after a certain baseline of performance is met. For me, that would be something like 20Hz extension with adequately low distortion and high enough SPL. For my own tastes, I would start with something in the VTF-2 mk5/PB-2000/Outlaw Ultra-X12/Mono 12 and multiply from there. The Mono 10 and PB-1000 are very good subs, but, for my own tastes, a single one wouldn't be enough. I would want at least two of either. But I might be a but nuts.
Ok thanks, I think we may go for the Outlaw then. What about the SVS SB 3000?
The SVS SB-3000 isn't quite like these other subs. It's a great choice when floor space is very limited, but it will not match these other larger subs for deep bass output. If you want serious deep bass performance and you have the space to accommodate these larger subs, avoid sealed subs like the SB-3000.
 
jdubs79

jdubs79

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So the rear surrounds should go on the ceiling behind the couch? Not sure where else I would put them.
 
jdubs79

jdubs79

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Also if two 10" subs are better, I already have a preorder in for two of the RSL MKIIs. Which are supposed to be a bit more powerful then the last version and also go down to 22hz. Would that be adequate?
 
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shadyJ

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So the rear surrounds should go on the ceiling behind the couch? Not sure where else I would put them.
Hmm, it might be worth just skipping the rear surrounds channel in that case. Maybe just go with a 3.1.2 system.
 
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shadyJ

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Also if two 10" subs are better, I already have a preorder in for two of the RSL MKIIs. Which are supposed to be a bit more powerful then the last version and also go down to 22hz. Would that be adequate?
I wouldn't guess that the Speedwoofer mk2 is flat to 22Hz. These other subs hold a flat response all the way down to 20Hz. But I don't know for sure. The good news is that I am going to find out real soon.
 
jdubs79

jdubs79

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I wouldn't guess that the Speedwoofer mk2 is flat to 22Hz. These other subs hold a flat response all the way down to 20Hz. But I don't know for sure. The good news is that I am going to find out real soon.
Sweet! I really appreciate all your help. I just got off the phone with the installer when I told him you were the one that recommended the 500C over the 70LCR he was very surprised but didn't push back at all.

Really looking forward to getting this installed!
 
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}Fear_Inoculum{

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I'd recommend the RSL C34E MKII Speakers if you're looking at Atmos/overhead speakers. As much as I'm a Paradigm fan (owning the Premiere 800F, 600C and Defiance X12s), I think their in-ceiling speakers aren't really worth the cost. Not saying they aren't great speakers, but just can't justify the cost/performance aspect (point of diminishing returns).
 
-Jim-

-Jim-

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I'd recommend the RSL C34E MKII Speakers if you're looking at Atmos/overhead speakers. As much as I'm a Paradigm fan (owning the Premiere 800F, 600C and Defiance X12s), I think their in-ceiling speakers aren't really worth the cost. Not saying they aren't great speakers, but just can't justify the cost/performance aspect (point of diminishing returns).
I'm with you on this as I bought some Polks for our 4 overhead Atmos speakers with the concept of changing them out later if I found them lacking. I've never moved on it in 4 years (and $ is not holding me back). I truly believe the focus needs to be across the Front 3 speakers where the vast majority (almost 90% I've see quoted) of the sound comes from, as well as good Sub(s). The surrounds (both ear level and Atmos) split the rest (in my case that can be 8 more speakers).
 
jdubs79

jdubs79

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I'd recommend the RSL C34E MKII Speakers if you're looking at Atmos/overhead speakers. As much as I'm a Paradigm fan (owning the Premiere 800F, 600C and Defiance X12s), I think their in-ceiling speakers aren't really worth the cost. Not saying they aren't great speakers, but just can't justify the cost/performance aspect (point of diminishing returns).
I think I am going to go with the RSL c34E MKII celing speakers per your suggestion.

Since I will likely be getting the premier 500c as my center channel what are you thoughts on going with the 200b in paradigm's premier line? Or should I stick with the 40Bs? I really wish I could get some floorstanding speakers, but my built in cabinet does not really allow for it.
 
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shadyJ

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I think I am going to go with the RSL c34E MKII celing speakers per your suggestion.

Since I will likely be getting the premier 500c as my center channel what are you thoughts on going with the 200b in paradigm's premier line? Or should I stick with the 40Bs? I really wish I could get some floorstanding speakers, but my built in cabinet does not really allow for it.
If you want a bookshelf-type speaker with floor-standing dynamic range, check out the Arendal 1723 Monitors. They are pretty large for stand-mount speakers, so make sure your cabinet can handle those dimensions. A review of the 1723s. There is also the 1723 S speakers if you need something a bit smaller.
 
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Wardog555

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I've shared a picture of roughly where the speakers best spots are for your situation. The squares are the base layer speakers and the circles are the atmos overhead speakers.
 

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I think I am going to go with the RSL c34E MKII celing speakers per your suggestion.

Since I will likely be getting the premier 500c as my center channel what are you thoughts on going with the 200b in paradigm's premier line? Or should I stick with the 40Bs? I really wish I could get some floorstanding speakers, but my built in cabinet does not really allow for it.
Again, cost VS performance IMO doesn't justify getting the Paradigms. They're very nice speakers, but unless you don't care about cost there are speakers that will perform just as well (if not better) for less.
 
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Mr._Clark

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I think I am going to go with the RSL c34E MKII celing speakers per your suggestion.

Since I will likely be getting the premier 500c as my center channel what are you thoughts on going with the 200b in paradigm's premier line? Or should I stick with the 40Bs? I really wish I could get some floorstanding speakers, but my built in cabinet does not really allow for it.
I'll second those who've suggested putting most of your $ into the LCR speakers in front. Make sure you havea good starting point and upgrade the other speakers later if need be.

The surrounds are going to be a challenge. The following may or may not be useful (it is just my experience with one system, so take it with a grain of salt). I have a 5.2 system in a somewhat similar room, but the sofa is against a wall so there's no room in back of the sofa. I mounted JBL studio 220 speakers on the wall in back of the sofa using VideoSecu MS56B 3LH mounts out to the sides away from the ends of the sofa. The 220s are quite close to the sofa, however, due to the wall on one side (I have an end table between the end of the sofa and the wall, but the 220s are only about 2 feet from the ends of the sofa). After experimenting with the angle of the surrounds, I settled on aiming them slightly forward of the sitting position (I would not have thought this was the best direction, but it seems best to me). This is far from ideal (especially if you're not sitting in the center of the sofa), but I like it better than no surrounds.

My best guess is that Wardog's suggested placement for the surrounds is probably about as good as you're going to get. If possible, I'd use bookshelves on adjustable mounts so you can experiment with the direction.

In the system described above, my front LR speakers are Philharmonic BMRs. I have not heard the other LCR speakers suggested in this thread so I have no way to compare, but I've been impressed with the BMRs. I can't prove it, but I suspect that the accurate off axis response of the BMRs helps in this situation because the sound that's reflected off the side wall on one side isn't already distorted at the source. But, as with everything else, don't take my word for it. If you're considering the BMRs, take a close look at the test results and compare them to the other speakers you're considering to make sure they have what you're looking for (there are a cr*pload of factors to consider)

Personally, I really like dual subs but I would still go with one good sub that gets down to 20hz over two that can't get down to 20hz (I think this is basically what Shady was saying). It's a lot less hassle to add a second sub later if one is inadequate than it is to replace a pair that aren't cutting it. In the system I described above I have a pair of Hsu ULS MK2 sealed subs. I'm not a big believer in sealed subs, but I had rather extreme space limitations and the sealed subs appeared to be a better compromise than ported subs of the same size. If space is not an issue, for a given budget I'd go with ported every time.
 
jdubs79

jdubs79

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Thank you Wardog for the illustration and everyone else for their invaluable help. I have a lot of thinking to do and will likely be starting from scratch here. I'll update this thread in the future with what I wind up with.
 

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