Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I finally got to hear a pair of KEF LS50 coaxial speakers over the weekend. They sounded very good. I haven't heard many coaxials, but these had no readily apparent flaws that I have heard in others in the past.

Their bass is clean and had no over emphasis.

The 5¼" magnesium/aluminum alloy woofer is said to be crossed over to the coaxially mounted 1" titanium dome tweeter at 2.2 kHz. I heard no high frequency noise or resonance from the metal woofers.

The cabinets are very sturdy and heavy. They’re probably very well built inside. I heard no noticeable cabinet resonance from them.

The front baffle is curved in 2 dimensions, a section of a sphere. This is probably expensive to make and minimizes cabinet diffraction.

They imaged very nicely, and I enjoyed listening to them.

Stereophile has reviewed these speakers. Their measurements are here: KEF LS50 Anniversary Model loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com.

I was able to directly compare them to my diy CAOW1s, and I thought they sounded close. These are small 2-way speakers with a Seas 5¼" paper woofer and a ¾" fabric dome tweeter. (Note: the CAOW1 is essentially the same as Salk SongSurround I speakers.) The KEFs seemed to be less sensitive than the CAOW1s, but their bass seems to go somewhat lower than the CAOW1s.

I would have liked to compare them to the Philharmonitors. Based on my memory of their sound, I'd guess the Philharmonitors might outperform the KEFs because of their more potent bass, and their ribbon tweeters. Perhaps, and this is a guess, the only thing the KEFs might lack is the subtle but superior qualities of a good ribbon tweeter.

The KEFs are available only in black and cost $1500 a pair. In contrast the Salks ($895 a pair) come in various veneer finishes, and the Philharmonitor ($850 a pair) comes in a dark walnut veneer.
 
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cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
I do like these speakers, I had a pair at my home for a week and I found they like a little power and paired great with my Rythmik sub. Sounded really nice with jazz....
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I do like these speakers, I had a pair at my home for a week and I found they like a little power and paired great with my Rythmik sub. Sounded really nice with jazz....
When I heard them, they were driven by a 200 wpc amp. They weren't mine, so I was reluctant to push them hard, but I think you're right about that. They benefit from a powerful amp.
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
When I heard them, they were driven by a 200 wpc amp. They weren't mine, so I was reluctant to push them hard, but I think you're right about that. They benefit from a powerful amp.
When I had them, I used my ATI2002 and it drove them pretty darn good... I wish the guy would have left them a while longer ( he was on vacation) as I wanted to try other types of music. Nice speakers....
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Excellent speaker. Excellent drive unit. I obtained a set of the drivers (the ones tested in the link provided above) and considered using them on some DIY towers, but since I was going 3-way, I opted to use the R-series concentric mid as it's edge termination is smoother (ie; no z-flex surround as it's intended to be used crossed high and not as a midwoofer). Still, quite a great set of drivers coming from Kef engineering.
 
monkish54

monkish54

Audioholic General
Erin, thanks for hosting your website. I view it regularly, it's an excellent resource. : )
 
G

Goliath

Full Audioholic
Swerd said:
When I heard them, they were driven by a 200 wpc amp. They weren't mine, so I was reluctant to push them hard, but I think you're right about that. They benefit from a powerful amp.
Next time listen to them with McIntosh 2KW monoblocks. Then you'll see and hear their true potential!
 
Ponzio

Ponzio

Audioholic Samurai
Next time listen to them with McIntosh 2KW monoblocks. Then you'll see and hear their true potential!
Couldn't agree with you more. As an LS50 owner I was amazed how the depth and clarity increased as the volume was turned up without any breakup or turbulence whatsoever.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Next time listen to them with McIntosh 2KW monoblocks. Then you'll see and hear their true potential!
Oh, shut up! You're killing me! :D

You forgot to mention about the dedicated 30A circuits and turning the volume to 100% to squeeze every bit of 2KW. :D

And blowing the speakers. :D

The LS50 is rated for 25W-100W max of power per KEF engineers. ;)
 
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theJman

theJman

Audioholic Chief
A guy I work with owns a pair of those, and I thought they sounded amazing. Not sure they're worth the selling price though - seems a bit high to me.
 
Ponzio

Ponzio

Audioholic Samurai
A guy I work with owns a pair of those, and I thought they sounded amazing. Not sure they're worth the selling price though - seems a bit high to me.
So what speaker brand/model with a MSRP of $1.5K or less are better or equal to the LS50's that you've actually heard? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just curious. Inquiring minds want to know. :)
 
theJman

theJman

Audioholic Chief
So what speaker brand/model with a MSRP of $1.5K or less are better or equal to the LS50's that you've actually heard? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just curious. Inquiring minds want to know. :)
The Bag End M6's I own -- which were bought for about a grand -- are the KEF's equal in every respect, with the exception that the KEF's sounded a touch brighter perhaps. That could be good or bad though, depending upon your proclivities. The XTZ 95.24 is comparable to the KEF as well, but their soundstage is probably a bit more focused. At a 3rd of the price one has to hope there would be some difference, but in a blind comparison I'll bet the XTZ would do very well against the LS50.

Bottom line to my comment was that I believe KEF has made themselves a phenomenal little speaker, but it isn't priced relative to what you get. A person with a ton of disposal cash might feel differently though.
 
Ponzio

Ponzio

Audioholic Samurai
The Bag End M6's I own -- which were bought for about a grand -- are the KEF's equal in every respect, with the exception that the KEF's sounded a touch brighter perhaps. That could be good or bad though, depending upon your proclivities. The XTZ 95.24 is comparable to the KEF as well, but their soundstage is probably a bit more focused. At a 3rd of the price one has to hope there would be some difference, but in a blind comparison I'll bet the XTZ would do very well against the LS50.

Bottom line to my comment was that I believe KEF has made themselves a phenomenal little speaker, but it isn't priced relative to what you get. A person with a ton of disposal cash might feel differently though.
That's cool. I've heard neither of those speakers and honestly couldn't comment since I haven't heard neither of the brands/models to take a stab at what they sound like tonally. Most of the speakers I demoed before purchasing the LS50's were B&M brands (KEF, Focal, Dynaudio, Paradigm, PSB, Totem, etc.). Now the Bag End M6's are near-field monitors, from what I've read before posting, so I don't know if a comparison applies here, since the LS50's are a full range bookshelf. The XTZ 95.4's look interesting but they have a ribbon tweeter, which I'm not a big fan of, since the crossover has to be just right in blending the tweeter with the mid-range. My experience to date has not been good, they sound very lifeless to me but many people have assured me that I just haven't listened to the right ones, like Swerd here, who swears on a stack of Torah's that if I heard Dennis's Philharmonic models with the RAAL tweeters or Salk's, I'd be singing a different tune. I don't know. Hopefully when I go back down to "hang" with Swerd I can meet Dennis Murphy and he can show me the error of my ways.
 
theJman

theJman

Audioholic Chief
Now the Bag End M6's are near-field monitors, from what I've read before posting, so I don't know if a comparison applies here, since the LS50's are a full range bookshelf.
With a +/-3dB frequency response of 79Hz-28kHz the LS50's are definitely not a full range speaker. Neither are the M6's though, because they can only do 60Hz-20kHz. They both need a subwoofer. I think the stated goal for them are a lot closer then it might first seem. The M6's are clearly targeted for studio use, but KEF claims the LS50's are ideal for monitoring as well. The first line of the product description on their own website says "The LS50 mini-monitor loudspeaker is a reinterpretation of the research, design and engineering approach of the legendary LS3/5a Monitors using KEF's latest technologies". They even show a picture of a guy in a studio mastering.

One things is for certain, the LS50's look better then my M6's. The KEF's have a gorgeous black finish, while the Bag End uses bedliner. I certainly didn't buy them for their looks... :)
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
It still all comes down to personal preference and taste - there is no guarantee for any, or all ears
 
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ematthews

ematthews

Audioholic General
The RBH Monitors were some of the highest rated here at Audioholics.. You however have to spend another 400 at MSRP..
 
Ponzio

Ponzio

Audioholic Samurai
With a +/-3dB frequency response of 79Hz-28kHz the LS50's are definitely not a full range speaker. Neither are the M6's though, because they can only do 60Hz-20kHz. They both need a subwoofer. I think the stated goal for them are a lot closer then it might first seem. The M6's are clearly targeted for studio use, but KEF claims the LS50's are ideal for monitoring as well. The first line of the product description on their own website says "The LS50 mini-monitor loudspeaker is a reinterpretation of the research, design and engineering approach of the legendary LS3/5a Monitors using KEF's latest technologies". They even show a picture of a guy in a studio mastering.

One things is for certain, the LS50's look better then my M6's. The KEF's have a gorgeous black finish, while the Bag End uses bedliner. I certainly didn't buy them for their looks... :)
I stand corrected.
 

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