Is This the Dreaded HDMI OUT Failure on my TX-SR605...or Something Else?

Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
This is the exact issue I had with my 809 when I bought it, and it's HDMI finally went out a few years ago.

However, I've had HDMI cables do some strange stuff over the years. Eliminate everything in the chain one thing at a time. Cable first, then try another display. If they have the same issue, your HDMI out is broke. Pretty much that simple.

EDIT: This is what it looked like.

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Here's the thing, though....would a bad HDMI cable actually cause the setup menu system to freeze, not allowing me to use the remote's "RETURN" button to go back to a certain screen? Because that happens multiple times now, along with the weird green lines (mine are a bit different from what you're showing; you can actually see the menu layout on the screen, but green lines break through the graphics...hard to explain, but similar to your pic).

It is going to be very difficult for me to get to the back of my entertainment center/wall unit to access the unit's back panel, so I'd like to troubleshoot this in any other way, if possible; this is why I'm asking so many questions about whether or not this appears to be an HDMI out failure.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
Here's the thing, though....would a bad HDMI cable actually cause the setup menu system to freeze, not allowing me to use the remote's "RETURN" button to go back to a certain screen? Because that happens multiple times now, along with the weird green lines (mine are a bit different from what you're showing; you can actually see the menu layout on the screen, but green lines break through the graphics...hard to explain, but similar to your pic).

It is going to be very difficult for me to get to the back of my entertainment center/wall unit to access the unit's back panel, so I'd like to troubleshoot this in any other way, if possible; this is why I'm asking so many questions about whether or not this appears to be an HDMI out failure.
An HDMI cable or port that is going out could cause this. If the HDMI cable isn't electrically sound any longer because of the connector or actual cable, yeah, it could make some funky stuff happen.

My educated guess is that the HDMI port on your receiver is bad. Given its age and heat output, I'd say you got a lot of good years out of it.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Here's the thing, though....would a bad HDMI cable actually cause the setup menu system to freeze, not allowing me to use the remote's "RETURN" button to go back to a certain screen? Because that happens multiple times now, along with the weird green lines (mine are a bit different from what you're showing; you can actually see the menu layout on the screen, but green lines break through the graphics...hard to explain, but similar to your pic).

It is going to be very difficult for me to get to the back of my entertainment center/wall unit to access the unit's back panel, so I'd like to troubleshoot this in any other way, if possible; this is why I'm asking so many questions about whether or not this appears to be an HDMI out failure.
I was starting to wonder why the hesitancy to do simple trouble shooting.....but going thru everything including connections is really the only way. I'd also suggest easier access with cable slack so you can do so more easily in the future....
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
An HDMI cable or port that is going out could cause this. If the HDMI cable isn't electrically sound any longer because of the connector or actual cable, yeah, it could make some funky stuff happen.
Interesting; I never would have imagined that.

My educated guess is that the HDMI port on your receiver is bad. Given its age and heat output, I'd say you got a lot of good years out of it.
This is what I originally suspected (hence the thread) but wasn't sure; indeed, no complaints about the number of years we got out of it -- and aside from the HDMI out issue, everything else is still working top notch (amplification and processing stages). It really has been one of the best pieces of consumer electronics I have ever owned, and it is what is keeping me in the Onkyo family (I know they had their quality control issues following this generation of AVRs, and, unfortunately, with this new takeover, it seems like their overall build quality is highly suspect...but I'd still be willing to keep one in my system).

You'd never guess this thing pumps out 90 watts per channel (most likely two channels driven, but still...) -- it performs like a MUCH beefier amp, especially given where it landed on the price scale (the 600 series was always an awesome value proposition from Onkyo). A couple of things still irk me, though, and hopefully I can get past this with a new model....I don't think this unit should have been given the small, limp, lifeless, plastic volume knob (the 605 started life at a $600 price point -- not exactly SUPER cheap, so I don't think this thing deserved the plastic controller). It really does perform and punch beyond its price point, and I don't believe the knob is an indicator of the muscular brawn this amp puts out (once you got into the 700 series the knobs turned to aluminum with the blue light ring around them, if I'm not mistaken; but IMO the 605 should have gotten this treatment for an original $600 tag).

Of course, it seems like brand new AVRs, even at the flagship level, are coming with plastic volume controllers, too, so this may not be something I will be able to satisfy...

Additionally, the unit doesn't have the processing power (and I don't fault it for this, I suppose) to take a two-channel DTS-HD Master Audio signal and apply some kind of Pro Logic II processing so it can play through channels beyond the left and right mains. For example -- I own a bunch of Scream Factory Blu-rays that only come with either a 2.0 stereo or 2.0 mono DTS-HD MA track, and played back through my 605 (bitstreamed from my player), these are forced into the left and right channels (in my system, Polk RTi12 towers) in Stereo mode, which causes a weird "comb filtering" effect and makes dialogue sound really weird. Sometimes, if I am sitting PRECISELY and EXACTLY in the sweet spot, I can catch a phantom center effect where the dialogue appears to be coming SOMEWHERE from the screen...but not often. Now, I understand that in these circumstances I can switch the disc player to output PCM and then utilize the 605's processing modes so the tracks don't play just from the center, but I would rather always leave everything set to bitstream.

At any rate, I'm just venting....I don't know if I will conduct any tests to see if the HDMI cable is the issue, but in the meantime, let me ask this: It is probably the HEAT from the HDMI out chip that is causing this failure?
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
I was starting to wonder why the hesitancy to do simple trouble shooting.....but going thru everything including connections is really the only way. I'd also suggest easier access with cable slack so you can do so more easily in the future....
Yes, lovin; it would just be difficult to get behind there with the way everything is installed (gonna have to work on that, as you suggested; probably in the next setup). I'm willing to bet, though, that 99.9-percent this is the HDMI out port going bad...
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Yes, lovin; it would just be difficult to get behind there with the way everything is installed (gonna have to work on that, as you suggested; probably in the next setup). I'm willing to bet, though, that 99.9-percent this is the HDMI out port going bad...
I wouldn't particularly take the bet but I'm just a curious sort so would need to verify :)
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
At any rate, I'm just venting....I don't know if I will conduct any tests to see if the HDMI cable is the issue, but in the meantime, let me ask this: It is probably the HEAT from the HDMI out chip that is causing this failure?
No, heat wouldn't be the ONLY issue. HDMI port failures are usually due to physical damage, or board failures. I've had to replace my HDMI board in my 809, and have had friends replace HDMI boards in their TVs. My 809 doesn't grab the HDMI plug like it used to, but it hasn't been an issue for me yet. I've got other devices that have had issues, but they get plugged in and unplugged a lot. It also has to do with HDMI carrying some current. Not much, but it does. That's why the redmere cables apparently caused issues. They pulled more than the port would normally see and cause issues. I have a 50' redmere cable, but never used it.

Your failure could simply be due to age and nothing else, but as @lovinthehd said, I wouldn't bet 100% on it being the receiver. I'd still check the cable if possible.
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
No, heat wouldn't be the ONLY issue. HDMI port failures are usually due to physical damage, or board failures. I've had to replace my HDMI board in my 809, and have had friends replace HDMI boards in their TVs. My 809 doesn't grab the HDMI plug like it used to, but it hasn't been an issue for me yet. I've got other devices that have had issues, but they get plugged in and unplugged a lot. It also has to do with HDMI carrying some current. Not much, but it does. That's why the redmere cables apparently caused issues. They pulled more than the port would normally see and cause issues. I have a 50' redmere cable, but never used it.

Your failure could simply be due to age and nothing else, but as @lovinthehd said, I wouldn't bet 100% on it being the receiver. I'd still check the cable if possible.
It could be possible that the port itself has been so stressed in the 10-plus years the unit has been in just THIS installation (we used it in an apartment first, before we moved to the current house we're in) because of the way the cables are coming out of the entertainment center, and that THIS may be causing what I'm seeing; I suppose I can try getting my hand behind the AVR and try to squeeze the cable coming from the HDMI out port into the connector tighter...
 
M Code

M Code

Audioholic General
The 605/805 are >10 years old... They were incredible AVRs when introduced, also note that they were actually designed by the HK AVR team. Major issue was the heat buildup due the high biasing settings, note they did sound better with the higher bias setting but radiated a lot more heat even @ idle.

Just my $0.02... ;).
 
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panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
The 605/805 are >10 years old... They were incredible AVRs when introduced, also note that they were actually designed by the HK AVR team. Major issue was the heat buildup due the high biasing settings, note they did sound better with the higher bias setting but radiated a lot more heat even @ idle.

Just my $0.02... ;).
Totally agree. Those units were great, the 705 too, and they did produce a TON of heat. A display unit 605 got so hot inside a display TV cabinet it warped the veneer off the wood. It was the only thing in the cabinet and had plenty of space, but apparently was still too close to the next shelf.
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
I agree, fellas, that this generation of Onkyos were AWESOME -- absolute beasts, especially for the price. I wouldn't really be wanting to move on from my 605 if it weren't for this HDMI out issue (and the fact that we may want to get into something that decodes Atmos and DTS:X)...
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I agree, fellas, that this generation of Onkyos were AWESOME -- absolute beasts, especially for the price. I wouldn't really be wanting to move on from my 605 if it weren't for this HDMI out issue (and the fact that we may want to get into something that decodes Atmos and DTS:X)...
The 1x00 series Denon would get you right back to where you were with the 605. I've got one for the living room and it's fine. Doesn't get hot and decodes everything without issue. Very solid for the money, once you get past how light it is.
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
The 1x00 series Denon would get you right back to where you were with the 605. I've got one for the living room and it's fine. Doesn't get hot and decodes everything without issue. Very solid for the money, once you get past how light it is.
Thanks for the suggestion, pant; how can these units perform so well, though, if the chassis itself seems so light? Aren't the transformers and heat sinks supposed to be of better quality?

When it comes down to it, I always consider either a Denon or Onkyo, so I will definitely take your recommendation into consideration.
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
Pant:

Is this one of the Denon models you're referring to?

Denon AVR-X1600H 7.2-channel home theater receiver with Wi-Fi®, Bluetooth®, Apple® AirPlay® 2, and Amazon Alexa compatibility at Crutchfield

If so, I really didn't want to go with LESS power output than my 605 pushes now; I realize this is all subjective and that these ratings don't really mean squat in real listening conditions (unless a room is super huge which ours isn't), but I really would like to get some more current to at least my front main channels, which are very large Polk RTi12s. The 605 was rated 90 WPC and the Denon I linked seems to be about 80 WPC, and I'd like to move up to something with like 100-120 WPC...
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
Pant:

Is this one of the Denon models you're referring to?

Denon AVR-X1600H 7.2-channel home theater receiver with Wi-Fi®, Bluetooth®, Apple® AirPlay® 2, and Amazon Alexa compatibility at Crutchfield

If so, I really didn't want to go with LESS power output than my 605 pushes now; I realize this is all subjective and that these ratings don't really mean squat in real listening conditions (unless a room is super huge which ours isn't), but I really would like to get some more current to at least my front main channels, which are very large Polk RTi12s. The 605 was rated 90 WPC and the Denon I linked seems to be about 80 WPC, and I'd like to move up to something with like 100-120 WPC...
If that's the case, then I'd just go up in model until you get to the power rating you're looking for. External amplification is always an option, but then you've got another box to check in the pre-out department.
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
If that's the case, then I'd just go up in model until you get to the power rating you're looking for. External amplification is always an option, but then you've got another box to check in the pre-out department.
Indeed...I know. :confused:
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
Don't forget about Yamaha though. Always a solid choice.
No, no, no....

If there's ONE brand I WON'T buy right now, it's them -- I cannot STAND the aesthetics of their new AVRs, with that awful oversized volume knob in the MIDDLE of the chassis....

Uggghhhhhh!!!!!!

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Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
It'll probably come down to Onkyo, Denon or Marantz...though I hate those porthole displays on the front of the Marantz units....
 
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