Immigration, or illegal entry?

ForMiseri

ForMiseri

Audioholic Intern
Wow!

The cost of lettuce? Lets see here now... Let's look at what it has cost the American public for that low cost lettuce. Clogged ER's with illegal immigrants with no ability to pay for services provided thus increasing already skyrocketing health care costs leaving many Americans without healthcare coverage of any kind. Housing, feeding, and guarding illegals in our local jails, State Prison systems, Federal institutions etc... for crimes committed other than crossing the border. Let's see here now... such as; murder, rape, child exploitation (slavery in the sex industry) hmmm. human rights? For God's Sake! What about our school systems and the cost of bi-lingual education? Seems to me to be a high price to pay for a head of lettuce!!!:eek:
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
ForMiseri said:
The cost of lettuce? Lets see here now... Let's look at what it has cost the American public for that low cost lettuce. Clogged ER's with illegal immigrants with no ability to pay for services provided thus increasing already skyrocketing health care costs leaving many Americans without healthcare coverage of any kind. Housing, feeding, and guarding illegals in our local jails, State Prison systems, Federal institutions etc... for crimes committed other than crossing the border. Let's see here now... such as; murder, rape, child exploitation (slavery in the sex industry) hmmm. human rights? For God's Sake! What about our school systems and the cost of bi-lingual education? Seems to me to be a high price to pay for a head of lettuce!!!:eek:
So you would rather have people (born and raised in this contry) starving in the streets because they can't afford food.:rolleyes:
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
10010011 said:
So you would rather have people (born and raised in this contry) starving in the streets because they can't afford food.:rolleyes:
I have yet to see any evidence that millions (or even thousands) of Americans will be made homeless or "starving" because we enforce our immigration laws. The price of some produce will rise, but only 20%-30%. Not all produce or farming in this country is performed by illegal immigrants.
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
10010011 said:
So you would rather have people (born and raised in this contry) starving in the streets because they can't afford food.:rolleyes:

I just don't agree with that scenario, not for a second. I think it's quite comical that some politicians and the Mexican government would like us to think that this country economy would crumble without illegal immigrants.

Cost of Illegal Immigration to Texas: 4.7 billion a year or an extra $725 to each resident in the form of taxes, higher education costs, higher law enforcement costs, and higher health care costs.

Cost of Illegal Immigration to California: 10.5 billion a year or an extra $1,183 to each resident in the form of taxes, higher education costs, higher law enforcement costs, and higher health care costs.

Cost of Illegal Immigration to Arizona: 1.3 billion a year or an extra $700.00 to each resident in the form of taxes, higher education costs, higher law enforcement costs, and higher health care costs.

That $700 dollars in state taxes would sure buy me alot of lettuce, even at double the price it's going for now.

Right now we, the American tax payer, are paying for free health care that illegals now enjoy to the tune of 200 to 300 million dollars a year.

This is the were it's hurting the most, the small local government:
“In places like Palm Beach County that have huge agricultural holdings that draw migrant laborers, the impact on local taxpayers is even greater because there is no other large industry and most of the costs of services to immigrants – public education, health care, law enforcement – are borne by local governments.”
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
Add to that about 1 billion per year in tax credits as the majority of illegal Mexicans are low income households.
 
ForMiseri

ForMiseri

Audioholic Intern
Starving?

Hee Haw! I cannot believe the mindset of W. and his minions. The people most adversely affected by returning the illlegals and staunching the flow of these people are not the poor or whats left of our "middle class" it is the wealthy. Corporations want to have cheap labor so for years a blind eye has been turned toward the felonious breaking of our laws. It is no longer about the small farmers who need cheap labor to harvest their crops. It is mega corporations such as Conagra, Dole, all of the huge farming conglomorates who for years have taken corporate welfare from the taxpayers. They too have broken laws, why is their a minimum wage? I currently earn $6.80 per hr. working for a corporate giant. Forget about healthcare too. By the time the government gets done with me, and child support is paid, what is left to live on? Starving? you bet! I can afford to eat once a day! Starving? Nope. Hungry? At times. I live and work in a depressed area where good jobs are few and far between. Good jobs meaning $9.00 per hr. and up. Guess who was rounded up at a major plastics plant paying those kind of wages? Yep, you guessed right! These stinking illegals. They actually have a van pick them up in town and drive them to and from work. I have to walk. I find any argument for keeping the law breakers here and that goes for these stinking corporations who hire the vermin. Simply FED UP!!!!:mad:
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
President Fox boycotted by Republicans.

This just in:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/us/26fox.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

President Fox has been a good leader for Mexico and has strengthened his countries ties with America...for the most part.

At first glance, I thought it rude and purely political to boycott his speech. President Fox had refused to answer questions about immigration policy and the immigration problem for fear of influencing the House and Senate votes on the issue. But President Fox broke his silence yesterday after the House vote. President Fox, after all, was invited to Utah last summer. But he only accepted the invitation on May 4. Perhaps president Fox's trip to the US on the very same week that both the Senate and the House vote on immigration policy is pure happenstance, and I am overly skeptical. Hmmmm....

I just can't get past the fact that Mexico (and many liberals, not that I have a problem with liberals...it is just a fitting term in this instance) expect us to cure Mexico's poverty problem...at least that part (those poor Mexicans) that leave Mexico. I have yet to hear President Fox directly answer this point. Invariably, the responses I've heard are tangental:
-We are neighbors, and ought to help each other;
-That it is time to pay for "looking the other way" at illegal immigration these past years. etc.

President Fox has proven to work well with our President...we can only hope for as much in their next leader (at the end of the year). It is important that we keep Mexico as a close ally. But when have we been so presumptuous as to mandate, suggest or even influence Mexican immigration policy? While working with them as a close ally to the south, we have respected their right of sovereignity, and their right to self-rule. Perhaps it is time they return the favor.
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
I'd like to know why Bush bends over and lubes for Fox? They need us waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more then we need them.
 
corysmith01

corysmith01

Senior Audioholic
I saw a report on Tucker Carlson the other night where they were talking about this very issue, and now it's on MSNBC.com. The issue was all the hoopla and outrage that the US/Americans show towards illegals and how we should be more sympathetic to their plight. But it begs the question; how does Mexico handle, or deal with, their illegals? You can read a little about it here. Just thought it was interesting to read/hear the other side of the coin...of how Mexico deals with the very problem that they criticize/scrutinize the US for:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13006798/site/newsweek/
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
National manhunt for Mexican illegal (wanted for murder).

A bit of local news that has just become national:

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=5/31/2006&id=6629

I do not mean to infer that all illegals are murderers. However, dangerous illegals such as this tend to influence people's opinions on illegal immigrants. Whether that is a fair comparison or not is a whole other matter. I just hope they catch him soon and make him spend his sentence (if convicted) in a Mexican prison.
 
b_panther_g

b_panther_g

Audioholic
Immigration Problem Solved!

Here is Panther’s solution to the immigration problem.


Company Amnesty

1. 6 month amnesty for companies who hire illegal immigrants.
(During this time the company must identify all illegal immigrants they employ. The company gets off without any penalties)​

2. All currently working illegal immigrants are enrolled in the immigration process.


Post Amnesty

1. $1000 reward for correctly reporting a company for using illegal immigrants.

2. Companies caught hiring illegal immigrants will be fined $50,000 per illegal immigrant.

3. When caught, company owners will not be allowed to own a business in the same field for 5 years.
(This is necessary to prevent companies from just claiming bankruptcy, then opening shop again in a month or 2)​

That’s it.

Immigration problem solved.

Now let’s get this written into law.

Enjoy,
Panther
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
You forgot,they tell us what they want,not we tell them.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
b_panther_g said:
3. When caught, company owners will not be allowed to own a business in the same field for 5 years.
(This is necessary to prevent companies from just claiming bankruptcy, then opening shop again in a month or 2)​

People don't own businesses. Corporations own businesses. The better solution being....
Company/corporation liquidated. Assetts become government property, Shareholders be damned.​
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
Rock&Roll Ninja said:
People don't own businesses. Corporations own businesses. The better solution being....
Company/corporation liquidated. Assetts become government property, Shareholders be damned.
Not to nitpick Rock&Roll, but shareholders own corporations and people own noncorporate businesses.

Shareholders invariably get screwed...just look at Enron. The CEO, CFO, and other top executives invariably authorize all decisions (or are at least responsible for them)...so it ought to come out of their pocketbooks, and mansions, and jets, and yachts, etc. Imho.
 
ForMiseri

ForMiseri

Audioholic Intern
Absolutely! Anyone responsible for the hiring of the illegals should get a minimum of 10 years in a Federal Prison and have their assets liquidated and splitting said assets between the Social Security Trust Fund which has been robbed by our politicians for years and increased border security. Technology exists to employ Audio/Visual equipment such as vibration detectors imbedded in the ground and infrared/satellite technology. The physical building of a wall is a waste of time and money given the amount of tunnels that have been dug under the border. This too could be applied to slowing the drug trafficking considerably. I doubt however if Congress and our Prez. have the will to do this.:(
 
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