I don’t know whether to laugh, or be scared

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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I have to ask the most obvious question. Why do we even care? Let the Russians, South Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese deal with it. I seriously doubt any of them will feel comfortably with nukes in their backyard. They're smart enough to sit out since they know we'll blow resources on the problem for them. I'm sick of this running around policing everyone just to maintain influence. North Koreans sends an actual nuke our way, we shoot it down and wipe them from the Earth. Simple...
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Two words.

I have to ask the most obvious question. Why do we even care? Let the Russians, South Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese deal with it. I seriously doubt any of them will feel comfortably with nukes in their backyard. They're smart enough to sit out since they know we'll blow resources on the problem for them. I'm sick of this running around policing everyone just to maintain influence. North Koreans sends an actual nuke our way, we shoot it down and wipe them from the Earth. Simple...
South Korea. If NK throws a hissy fit, the first ones that will get hit is them and we have an obligation to them, just like we did 59 years ago. Remember, the Korean war is not officially over. It's just a "truce".

And, as long as lil' kim isn't humping on their legs, I doubt Russia or China really gives a hoot. He may be crazy but he's not stupid. After all, NK has nothing of strategic value for them.

But, yeah. If they do attack us with a nuke, which I seriously doubt they're capable of, they become a glowing crater.
 
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Jeepers

Full Audioholic
Again I will say – One guy with a rifle & scope to take out the offending leader, and a few of his cronies. This sends a clear message to the other upstart buttheads that they will be put down for getting uppity and making idle threats. No collateral damage, and everyone can sleep more soundly.
You may sleep more soundly for 1 night but the problem is that you don't know how these people (the ones still alive) will react. I don't need to tell you that the Middle East is not a safe place for any American so the Far East might possibly also become very unsafe for any US civilian.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
You may sleep more soundly for 1 night but the problem is that you don't know how these people (the ones still alive) will react.
Yep. Nature abhors a vacuum. Someone would take his place.

Besides, I'll bet a lot of money that major governments (U.S., Japan, Russia, China, and others) have run the numbers on the risk/benefit analysis of taking him out.
 
nibhaz

nibhaz

Audioholic Chief
I have to ask the most obvious question. Why do we even care? Let the Russians, South Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese deal with it. I seriously doubt any of them will feel comfortably with nukes in their backyard. They're smart enough to sit out since they know we'll blow resources on the problem for them. I'm sick of this running around policing everyone just to maintain influence. North Koreans sends an actual nuke our way, we shoot it down and wipe them from the Earth. Simple...
Japan! Japan is the world's third largest economy, so it’s in our economic interest to attempt to provide stabilizing security in the region. Couple this with the fact that Japan's Self-Defense Forces are incapable of projecting force over long distances for sustained periods of time, and in it becomes clear why we are tied to them so strongly.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Sure, we could discuss what's not documented, but then again, we have those too...
It's statements like these and the comments about "showing the world who top dog is" that truely make me wonder about where people's allegiance really lie. My allegiance is to humanity first, country second.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
You have to remember the difference between stockpile and deliverable, plus yield and effective range. In terms of effective weapons based on the locations of the countries, the US actually has the most.

Basically, the numbers show that the street gangs of LA have more guns than the LAPD. They don't show that the street gangs have mostly 22s and 38s with the occassional uzi, while the LAPD has assault rifles and automatic shotguns handy. :)
 
res6jya6

res6jya6

Senior Audioholic
I don't think we really have to worry about China... Japan, either... those two countries get so much money from the United States - it's not even funny. They wouldn't be living too high and mighty if we started bringing productions of electronics back to the States. Russia, sure... they may be a little more rogue.
 
nibhaz

nibhaz

Audioholic Chief
You have to remember the difference between stockpile and deliverable, plus yield and effective range. In terms of effective weapons based on the locations of the countries, the US actually has the most.

Basically, the numbers show that the street gangs of LA have more guns than the LAPD. They don't show that the street gangs have mostly 22s and 38s with the occassional uzi, while the LAPD has assault rifles and automatic shotguns handy. :)
In this sense we are in agreement. Even though the US stockpile has fewer actual warheads, I would concur that it is deployed in more effective posture. For some reason the Russian seem to place a high value on tactical/theater based delivery systems.

Personally I’ve always been amazed by the amount of strategic power packed into a single Ohio class submarine. Obviously, the configuration changes from time to time, but the fact that they can carry 24 Trident II missiles, and each missile can be tipped with 8 W88 warheads, and each warhead can yield up to 475 kt. That means that 192 individual targets can be engage with more than 23X the explosive force of the bombs dropped in WWII. That means that a fully loaded Ohio class sub is the world’s 4th largest nuclear power…and the US has 14 of these bad boys. Current treaties actually limit the deliverable payload to half this amount, but does it really matter?

Here is a mind blowing picture.

LGM-118A Peacekeeper missile system being tested at the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands.
This is a long exposure photo showing the paths of the multiple re-entry vehicles deployed by the missile. One Peacekeeper can hold up to 10 nuclear warheads, each independently targeted. Were the warheads armed with a nuclear payload, each would carry with it the explosive power of twenty-five Hiroshima-sized weapons.
Original: http://www.smdc.army.mil/SMDCPhoto_Gallery/Missiles/Missiles.html
Source: English Wikipedia, original upload see file history
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
when nibhaz posted the picture above ... i thought the US had 14 Ion Cannons in their arsenal.

must stop playing command and conquer PC games.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
when nibhaz posted the picture above ... i thought the US had 14 Ion Cannons in their arsenal.

must stop playing command and conquer PC games.
I was actually thinking it looked like "Scorched Earth" (which is available in a modern re-incarnation).

-pat
 

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