Hsu ventriloquist review

Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
I picked up my Hsu Ventriloqist/STF-3 package Saturday morning. I haven't had much time to play with the sub, but I've had a chance to hook up the Ventriloquist and I'll give my initial impressions. For those that like to skip to the end, I'll save you the time and tell you my overall impression is one of disappointment. I read some good reviews of the system and expected more, much more.

For the uninitiated, the ventriloquist system is a 6.1 satellite system with the unique feature that the center channel intercepts the L/R signal and extracts the 80-250hz frequencies and adds them to the center's playback, leaving the smaller satellites to play the remaining frequencies. The idea is that the center channel can fill the mid-bass gap suffered by most small sat systems. Also, the sixth channel can be matrixed from the L/R surround channels.

The speakers themselves look and feel like high quality pieces with some solid heft and a nice feel to them, but of course, look and feel isn't what speakers are about. I set the system up in my 10' x 11' bedroom. On the wall at the foot of the bed, I have a 26" LCD mounted on the wall with a 6' long shelf below it. I put the center channel under the TV with one sat about 2' to each side. Another sat is on a night table on each side of the bed. I did not use the sixth channel. I used my existing Sony SA-WM250 sub from my previous system. I did not use the STF-3, as I have other plans for that. It's not intended as boom-boom for the boom-boom if you know what I mean. I hooked it all up to my Denon AVR-686S and Denon DVD player and was ready to listen.

With neutral settings on the receiver, the Ventriloquist sounded awful in 2 channel stereo. I'll try to describe what I heard accurately. The lower treble and mid bass were horribly overboosted, yet hollow and unnatural. Imagine somebody playing a fine sound system as low volume, then at the same time, somebody is playing an old Victrola with the same music very loudly through that bent horn shaped thing. Flicking the Ventriloquist switch to the off position only made things much worse so back on it went in a hurry.

With some creative use of the receiver's settings, I've managed to bring the sound somewhat in line to normal sound instead of having it sound like listening to somebody else's music through a 20' air shaft. The first task was to minimize that horribly overboosted mid range, so minus 4db on the receiver's bass setting did that. Then to bring the highs to the same level, plus 2dB on the treble. Then the sub level was brought up to match. Most telling of the system was that without a sub, it was completely unlistenable. However, with these settings, it was up to the level of any bargain HTIB for 2-channel.

Switching to HD cable with a dolby signal fed through coax, I followed a similar setup process and the system actually turned out fairly decent for HT use. Dialog is clear and legible and ambient surround effects sound decent. I haven't had the chance to try any action/explosion type movies yet. I would say that this system is far better suited for HT use than for music, which is damning praise at best.

I'm no stranger to HTIB's having had a Sony 6.1, Samsung 5.1, Sony DAV-X1 and Bose 321 II. Call me the HTIB King if you want. I would put the Ventriloquist in the middle of this pack, better than the Samsung, which I gave to my next-door neighbor, but not as good as the Sony 6.1, which came with a receiver for $350 cdn on sale at Best Buy and which now resides at my in-laws'.

Had I paid full price for this, it would most certainly be on its way back to the dealer, but the way my deal was structured, it was $99 cdn with the purchase of the sub. Since I have a plan for the sub, I will keep this system and try to fine tune it some more and probably call Hsu for guidance. But as things stand now, I definitely fall into the "unimpressed" category, especially for a product that had good reviews. I'll add more later if I figure things out better and get it sorted out so that it meets expectations.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Interesting. Not what I would have expected. It almost sounds like something is wrong with the speakers, but I'll trust you've verfied wiring and all already. Sorry that they aren't as good as they have been suggested to be.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Here's what I've done since. I replaced the Hsu sats with my Athena AS-B1.2's run directly from the receiver and am using the center channel strictly as a center and it's pretty good that way. However, even the Athenas don't sound as good as I remember even in 2 channel. The only difference from now to the previous Athena setup is that I'm using a thin guage set of wires left over from an HTIB. I will rewire the Ventriloquists back up with a heavier wire and see if that makes any difference, but I'll have to go buy some because my main system is hogging all my decent wire.

I am perfectly willing to give the Ventriloquist system every fighting chance to meet expectations and I'll continue to tweak and experiment. It does seem like a substantial and well built system that should be better than my initial results suggest.
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
Dave

it's not the speaker wire!!:D However, your new ERA's may have somethig to do with it. :)
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
it's not the speaker wire!!:D However, your new ERA's may have somethig to do with it. :)
Yes, having the Era's as a nearby reference certainly raises the bar for any other systems I come across.

Yes again, it wasn't the speaker wire, but I changed it anyway.

I have poked around a little bit more and can be more specific. There is a frequency, or range of frequencies right around the upper reaches of the bass guitar, that are much more prominent than everything else. I mean stands out like a sore thumb prominent.

I started playing with crossover frequencies and the system actually sounds very good with the crossover set at 250hz. But at 250hz, that completely eliminates the Ventriloquist's standout feature. I might as well be using Bose cubes with that crossover point. As I lower the crossover point, that overboosted mid-bass returns. At least now, I can define the frequencies involved. Everything above 250hz sounds very good. Everything below sounds like its coming from a different system altogether.

More to come.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
OK, I've had about a week to tweak this system and I've spent considerable time on its setup. I'm happy to report that I've found combinations of settings that allows this system to meet my expectations.

In my initial report, I said regarding 2-channel music, "Imagine somebody playing a fine sound system at low volume, then at the same time, somebody is playing an old Victrola with the same music very loudly". I concentrated on bringing out this fine sound and minimizing the victrola effect.

To this end, I adjusted pretty much every setting my receiver offered and ended up raising the crossover point to 120hz and dropping the bass setting to -4dB. I then raised the treble setting to +4dB and ran the sub a little hotter. This combination seemed to equalize the upper and lower frequencies with the mid bass. With everything more or less equalized and no particular frequencies overpowering, it's like the fine system that I suspected was there has been released.

As for HT use, raising the crossover has improved the overall effect and I've had the chance to play some Saving Private Ryan scenes at quite loud levels. At this point, I'm certainly willing to say that the system performs quite well in HT duty.

So despite my initial reaction, I would say that if somebody 1) is willing to invest a fair amount of time setting up the system for 2-channel, 2) has a sub or gets one with the system, and/or 3) expects 90% or more home theater use, this may be a suitable solution for somebody looking for decent HT at a practical price point. I certainly didn't mean to sound overly critical in my original response, but I did find a glaring issue with 2-channel music, but I've been able to overcome that and I think I'll be quite happy with this system.
 
Wid

Wid

Audioholic
It's good to hear you have over come the issues you were having with the Vent system. I have had it since it first come to market. I too had to do a fair bit of tweaking to get the sound right for my room and liking. I really do think it is a fine system for the size and cost. While I use the Hsu system 99% of the time for HT the few times I tried music on it I was happy with the performance.

Happy listening.
 
B

Bee-Man

Audioholic Intern
I have the Hsu and yes, in two channel mode it is not particularly impressive...

The key is to always run it via the AV receiver and preferably in the music surround modes - or in other words, with the centre speaker active....

For home theatre - it is very impressive, it is not used a lot for music, but in the surround mode for parties - and with the sub going.... it is plenty adequate...

You want two channel sound from Hsu - then buy the HB-1 with a sub...
 
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