Hsu discontinues all tube subs

Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
This is sure a bummer! Hsu apparently sells so many more box subs than tubes that they've discontinued the TN1220. Now all you can get is the powered box variety.

I'll never buy a sub with an amp in the box for my main rig. Never. Guess if I ever need more than my pair of TN's, some other company will get my business.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
BTW, this unfortunately is not an April Fools prank. :(
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
Rob Babcock said:
I'll never buy a sub with an amp in the box for my main rig. Never.
Why? What's wrong with a sub with an amp? And can your typical A/V receiver actually power a passive sub to refrence levels?

I honestly don't know. I've always assumed the reason woofers were self-powered was because receivers couldn't handle them.
 
M

mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
My guess is he likes using a monoblock to power his subs.
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
Is there something inherently better using that than an onboard amp?
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
Why? What's wrong with a sub with an amp? And can your typical A/V receiver actually power a passive sub to refrence levels?

I honestly don't know. I've always assumed the reason woofers were self-powered was because receivers couldn't handle them.
Bass requires alot of power and its not advised to use the amps in your receiver to power a passive sub. Depending on the enclosure size, bass alignment and piston area one needs anywhere between 200wpc rms and in excess of 1000wpc in order to achieve high SPL in the bass region. There is nothing wrong with buying an active sub with internal amps. Some companies offer outboard amps as a matter of convenience so that the controls are more easily accessible, or with a bit more power reserves since they arent constrained by the available space inside the enclosure.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
Many HSU loyalists believe that internal amps compromise the physics of a cylinder. This is why many of them don't cross-shop with "the other company".
 
T

Tex-amp

Senior Audioholic
Rock&Roll Ninja said:
Many HSU loyalists believe that internal amps compromise the physics of a cylinder. This is why many of them don't cross-shop with "the other company".
As much as I'm not a fan of "the other company" and it pains me to say, they do have passive cylinders too.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
Oh yeah, forgot about the CS series of passive subs....

Regardless the HSU hardcore still won't buy the "other companies" stuff because of something to do with them stealing Dr. Hsu's ideas and pouring sugar in his gastank or something.

There can be some really nasty people on the Hsu message boards.
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
*raises an eyebrow*

And this "other company," it can't be named because.... ?
 
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Tex-amp

Senior Audioholic
Shadow_Ferret said:
*raises an eyebrow*

And this "other company," it can't be named because.... ?

They've threaten legal action on other forums against those that state their preference for other subs.
 
N

Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
Tex-amp said:
They've threaten legal action on other forums against those that state their preference for other subs.
I have a hard time believing that.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
Everyone at the Hsu message boards calls it "the other company". I dunno why, Its kinda like Harry potter books with "he who must not be named" who gets named on every third page.
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
Rock&Roll Ninja said:
Oh yeah, forgot about the CS series of passive subs....

Regardless the HSU hardcore still won't buy the "other companies" stuff because of something to do with them stealing Dr. Hsu's ideas and pouring sugar in his gastank or something.

There can be some really nasty people on the Hsu message boards.
Odd,everytime i suggest a SVS to someone and a HSU has also been suggested,the HSU owners say the SVS owners are the nasty people. From what i've read,its mostly both ways. Hey,my tube is the best sub i've had,its way fun. The other company,geez. :p
 
P

Peter Marcks

Banned
This is the response I gave at the Hsu forum:

Dear fellow audio enthusiasts,

We are now starting to transition from the end of an old era to the beginning of a new era here at Hsu Research. The TN series, introduced in the mid-1990's, were remarkable products and very effective in achieving Dr. Hsu's goal of maximizing bass per given floorspace. They were celebrated by numerous reviewers and owners alike. One of the things we are most proud of is the fact that they helped push forward the Do-It-Yourself craze. The TN subwoofers were created based on very fundamentally sound ideas in physics, and yet were easy enough for almost anyone to build in their own home, even those with no background in physics or in engineering. The pure simplicity of the TN design, coupled with the very high performance and relatively low cost, ultimately helped lead to the creation of numerous other similar subwoofer designs based upon the same principles we have used at Hsu Research.

As a relatively small company, we have always tried to limit the number of models that we carry at any given time to as much extent as possible. This gives us more opportunity to streamline and perfect existing products. Dr. Hsu always believes in providing more for less, and in providing for the greatest good. That is why you see him focusing his efforts first and foremost on the most affordable subwoofers and speakers. We have some great ideas for the expensive and exclusive "flagship" subwoofer market, but rest assured that our primary focus moving forward will be on providing higher quality and higher output bass for as many budgets as possible.

The TN1220HO had remarkably clean output at and above 16Hz, especially based on it's size, and even performs comparably to some of the "latest and greatest" cylinder designs available today. In my opinion, the new technology that Dr. Hsu has developed will take this performance to a new level. In the past, it was arguable that the TN1220HO/TN1225HO were cleaner low bass performers than the VTF-3/VTF-2. This fact alone helped to justify their existence, regardless of the fact that the box shape is much more popular with consumers. This situation does not hold true when comparing the TN series with the upcoming VTF-HO series. The upcoming VTF-2HO has the potential to be as potent as a TN1220HO in the low bass, and the upcoming VTF-3HO has the potential to be as potent as dual TN1220HO's in the low bass, with added flexibility too.

In a sense, Dr. Hsu is helping to redefine the ported subwoofer market, again. I hope you are all excited about what lies ahead. We are definitely excited.

Sincerely,
 
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Peter Marcks

Banned
Now, on the topic of nasty people at the Hsu forum... :)

Once you get to know them, I feel that most of the Hsu regulars are very nice people, and very helpful and supportive. No doubt, there is brand loyalty among them, but this is natural for people who support almost any brand. I think that some of the Hsu forum members do not like the marketing practices by some of our competitors, and they have had to see years of this while Hsu Research never really had a manufacturer presence on the internet to provide a counterpoint, so they speak their voice on the forum sometimes. Still, we have tried hard to clean up any disagreements that arise at the Hsu forum, and I am now pretty comfortable in saying that the atmosphere there is warm and open for all who come there. Name-calling and flaming is not allowed there. Our goal is to have a community there that converses thoughtfully with each other and helps each other out while sharing a common interest in audio products.

Hope this gives some perspective on things.

Sincerely,
 
Well you can't get any more reliable information than that. I would recommend giving the benefit of the doubt to a company that has, to date, made some pretty impressive products.
 
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Peter Marcks

Banned
Thank you for the compliments, Clint! You guys have done a great job with this website. I remember visiting this website during it's infancy, and all of you have made great strides during the years! Some of the best and most informative reviews can now be found on this website, in my opinion. Keep up the great work!

Sincerely,
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
Clint DeBoer said:
Well you can't get any more reliable information than that. I would recommend giving the benefit of the doubt to a company that has, to date, made some pretty impressive products.
Yes they have as other companys that i wont name has. :eek:
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
Nice to see a company rep posting here. Thanks for the insight. I have always been impressed with Hsu products and the support offered. I hope your presence here continues as we have alot of Hsu fans.

Cheers
 
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