How to control harshness after acoustic treatment

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shareknow

Audiophyte
Hello Dear all,

I own the SVS Ultra 5.1 speakers with PB2000 subwoofer for some time now. (2 years Approx.). Installed them in my small dedicated HT room (16 feet x 11 feet x 8.5 feet). Recently i went ahead with twelve DIY 4'x2', Roxul Rockwool 100kg/m3 ,acoustic panels. Also did ceiling treatment with 2'x2' perforated tiles with a backing of Roxul Rockwool 48kg/m3.The floor is covered with a heavy carpet.There are also a lot of cutains inside the room.

Earlier my Left, center and right speakers were behind my big 120 inch non-acoustically transparent screen. A friend suggested to install a small screen and remove the hinderence the screen was posing to the speakers. Now the small screen is behind the speakers and i have positioned the speakers somewhat close to the listening position and now they seem to be optimally placed as far as their placement is concerned.

THE PROBLEM:- Now after acoustic treatment there is a lot of harshness in the overall system sound. The tweeters draw a lot of my attention towards them.The harshness seems to be associated with loud scenes and certain high frequency movie scenes.

I have turned down the treble to -6db to in an attempt to remove some of this harshness.

Is this harshness due to the SVS Ultra's aluminum dome tweeter?

Or There is something wrong with the acoustic treatment?

I did put acoustic foam on the panels to tame some of the harshness.

(The pic's of my room is also attached )

Please help me with this.

Thanks in advance
 

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TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
Hi!

You need to wrap your absorbers in a specific type of fabric, such as Guilford of Maine, it can be bought online from several places. The purpose is that while the fabric allows air to pass through(which is essential, if you can't blow through it, it's no good), it also provides the friction necessary to turn high frequency sound energy in to heat - facilitating absorption. What you have is more of a midrange absorber with out the fabric.

In doing that, you may find the room to be a bit 'dead' sounding afterward, in which case you need to evaluate which panels should be left, and take some others away.

The screen may have been a mistake, if you bought a new one only to shrink the size and bring the speakers forward. May want to reconsider getting an acoustically transparent screen.
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
It probably does sound "harsh" as to when it was behind the original screen :) if the covering of the treatments doesn't fully solve your issue, you may want to roll off or tame a peak with the highs with eq instead. Do you have a measurement mic to see what's going on?
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
If you placed the absorbers before moving the speakers, the absorbers are no longer in the correct places to do their job. They need to absorb first reflections and standing wave energy in corners, which have all changed since the speakers were moved. You can use a mirror to see where these reflections are occurring- sit in the main position and have someone move a mirror along the wall- when you can see the reflection of your speakers, put a piece of painter's tape on the wall. You'll need to do this for each front speaker- a strong reflection from the left speaker can cause phantom sounds to seem like they're coming from outside of the right speaker and vise-versa. Reflections occur on the ceiling and floor, too- if these are bare, the reflections need to be addressed- a dug can be put on the floor but some kind of panel or covering does need to go on the ceiling.

Guilford of Maine is the "go-to", but not the only fabric that can be used, by any means. Most of theirs look too commercial for residential applications- if you can easily see through it, the sound will pass through it to the absorptive material.

You really need to find which frequencies are still accentuated- the panels will absorb more or less at specific frequencies, based on the material type and thickness and if you look at the specs for ANY construction, you'll see mention of ASTM, NRC, STC, etc- ASTM is 'American Society for testing and Materials', NRC is 'Noise Reduction Coefficient' and STC is 'Sound Transmission Coefficient'. These are internationally used for construction and manufacturing.

NRC indicates absorption ability and it's shown in graphs. STC is the amount of sound that can pass through a material without attenuation- you need to find the reflective points before placing the panels, measure the response and figure out how much material is needed- evenly placing panels isn't the way to go about this- it needs to go where it will be most effective and if more absorption at specific frequencies is needed, it may be necessary to use a thicker panel. Once the locations have been found, start by placing the panels for the first reflections from the L & R speakers and measure the response (or listen, but measuring makes it easier to see the changes). Next, place the panels for the first reflections from the speaker on the opposite side- if you can't, you can't but if you can put a chair between the speaker and that spot, do it- the result will be similar.

Once this has been done, live with it for a while and if it works without someone telling you that it needs to go, great!

Foam is useful, but not as effective as Roxul and Owens-Corning 701/703 panels or batts.
 
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shareknow

Audiophyte
Thanks TheWarrior, everettT and highfigh for your valueable inputs, meanwhile i tried the front facing position with the front left and right speakers, pic attached, rather then toe in position towards the listening position, seems like the harshness have decreased a bit, will get back after testing a few disc's
 

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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Thanks TheWarrior, everettT and highfigh for your valueable inputs, meanwhile i tried the front facing position with the front left and right speakers, pic attached, rather then toe in position towards the listening position, seems like the harshness have decreased a bit, will get back after testing a few disc's
If you want to identify where the harshness comes from, you can use your hands to block the path from the sides and let the direct/ceiling sound dominate- think of the room as a big pool table and the sound as a bank shot and remember- the sound reflects the way light does- the angle of incidence = the angle of reflection.
 

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