How important is a Y connector for a sub?

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dloweman

Audioholic
Simple Question that has probably been answered, but i couldn't find exactly what i wanted to here. I have my sub connected from the left low level input on the sub to the preout on the receiver. Question is should I buy a y cable to split the connection so that I connect to both the L and R low level inputs? thanks alot for the help
 
JohnA

JohnA

Audioholic Chief
Only if...

dloweman said:
Simple Question that has probably been answered, but i couldn't find exactly what i wanted to here. I have my sub connected from the left low level input on the sub to the preout on the receiver. Question is should I buy a y cable to split the connection so that I connect to both the L and R low level inputs? thanks alot for the help

You only need to use a "Y" adaptor if your sub does not have a Low level input. Some subs that only have a L/R input have the L labeled as mono which means you can just use the L ch. and it will work fine. :)
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Hi
Depending on the manufacture you may pick up a 3-4 Db gain using a
"Y" splitter at the subwoofer amplifire's L/R input
 
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dloweman

Audioholic
It made a big difference

Just to let every one know that i bought the $5 Canadian Y connector for my sub, and it did make a very noticable difference. I used to have it turned up to over half volume, after attaching the cable, I had to turn it down to 1/4 and seems to have a little more punch to it. Thanks for the help
Derek
 
mcwilson

mcwilson

Audioholic
I recently purchased a Y-splitter for my JAMO D8SUB. I noticed a significant gain in output. I typically show off my HT with the T-Rex scene from Jurassic Park. So, that scene is always fresh in my mind. After installing the y-splitter, I immediately checked it out using that scene. I definitely noticed more output.

What a kick-*** scene!
 
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ericb

Audioholic Intern
Brings me to another question

This brings me to another question. I also use a $5 Y connector to my sub. I have been told that using a better quality Y connector would help get more gain. Is there truth in this?

Thanks,
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
No

Actually, you don't realize any more gain or power from your sub by using a "Y" connector. While you may be able to turn the gain control down somewhat, the amp in the sub still only puts out whatever it can, regardless of the level setting.
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Actually, you don't realize any more gain or power from your sub by using a "Y" connector.

This is inaccurate info
Talking with the engineers at Klipsch and installing these over the years
An example would be Klipsch Reference subwoofers you pick up a net 3dB gaing when using a "Y" connector It does not matter where the Gian control is on the plate amp If it is Maxed out you still gain net 3dB
3 dB is 3 dB

Cheers
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
Actually, you don't realize any more gain or power from your sub by using a "Y" connector. While you may be able to turn the gain control down somewhat, the amp in the sub still only puts out whatever it can, regardless of the level setting.
Mark is correct.


Just to clarify here, what you are actually getting on most subs by using a y-cable to feed the L/R inputs is input signal gain since each input is being summed before going to the power amp. You will actually get up to 6dB of voltage gain depending on how the summing is done (assuming no limiters or active gain control circuits are present). This can yield a 3dB increase in output level, all things being equal. However, this also brings you 6dB closer to clipping the sub preamp and 3dB closer to reaching the dynamic output limits of the subwoofer. I usually recommend using a ysplitter in the case where your preamp sub out has weak signal levels (really not the case anymore). In reality, your only upping the input level, while keeping all other things constant (IE. volume controls).

As a side note, when I used to design audio interfaces, I usually added an attenuator after the mixing stage to eliminate the added gain. I am not sure why they don't do that with sub amps?

As another side note of interest:

When you sum two correlated audio sources: (IE. mono sources):
You get: A1 + A2 (where A1=A2) = 2A1 or twice the signal level
thus you get 20*log(2) = 6dB gain in voltage; for power it would be 10log(2) or 3dB

When you sum two Non Correlated audio sources (IE. stereo sources)
You get: sqrt(A1^2 + A2^2)
For example: Let A1 =1 and A2 = 1
The equivalent output for summing two non correlated audio sources is:
sqrt(1^2+1^2) = 1.41 times the original signal or
20*log(1.41) = 3dB voltage gain or 1.5dB of power gain based on 10*log....

Hope this helps and it appears I need to update our setup articles on this topic for greater detail.
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Allot of manufactures now incorporate a huge buffer before clipping occurs in
subwoofer amplifiers even in modest "G" class amp deigns
chances are that in good subwoofers the woofer would bottom out and or melt down before actual amplifier clipping occurred
 
mcwilson

mcwilson

Audioholic
Self-imposed ban

I'm banning myself from audioholics for 48 hours because I'm beginning to understand some of the technical posts... :eek:
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Oh how convenient you ban yourself on Friday for 48 hours
Your either going on a road trip or getting ready for some heavy duty partying. You cant fool me, Come to think of it I think I will join you as of 5pm PST :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
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JPS2005

Audiophyte
Thanks guys for all this info, I've been thinking all about this "one preout, L/R sub inputs" for some time. I have a Onkyo MiniSystem with One Sub Preout and a yamaha sub with L(mono)/R Inputs. The sub instructions says not to connect an amplifier that has ONE Sub Preout to the sub, instead use the speakers wires. Right now I'm using one RCA cable from the little amp Preout to the L(mono) input of the Sub, man I hope I'm not doing anything wrong..Maybe the "Y RCA 1F/2M" will do better...thanks :)
 
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