How Does Morality Change?

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Swerd

Swerd

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How would you describe the previous shut-downs?
The same. Morally reprehensible.

I think this whole conversation is absurd. Discussing morals and politics is like debating how many angels can stand on a pin head.
 
highfigh

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Seriously, I have no life.
The same. Morally reprehensible.

I think this whole conversation is absurd. Discussing morals and politics is like debating how many angels can stand on a pin head.
Using people as a bargaining chip should never be done, but the whole thing is being carried out by people who have no idea how it affects the employees because they all make enough money that it wouldn't be a problem for them. It's the lowest paid employees that I feel for- the rest all make enough that they shouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck.

Discussing morals and politics is one thing, discussing morals and politicians is different.

I think it's well past time that we, who vote for these turds, make it clear that we're tired of their BS. We need to re-define some things and decrease some of the power Congress wields. POTUS can't just do whatever he pleases and even executive orders can be reversed, but it's Congress who holds the cards, most of the time.
 
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Hetfield

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The airports are shutting down as we speak. Where are the morals in that? The damage orange man is causing will be felt for decades.

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Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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The airports are shutting down as we speak. Where are the morals in that? The damage orange man is causing will be felt for decades.
While I agree that the shutdown is reprehensible, you are exaggerating what's happening "as we speak". Airports are not shutting down. Some flights in the northeast are delayed by about 90 minutes due to a shortage of air traffic controllers.

Also reprehensible is that idiot of a Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, who can't seem to understand why workers need to get paid to go to work. The man must be senile.
 
John Parks

John Parks

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While I agree that the shutdown is reprehensible, you are exaggerating what's happening "as we speak". Airports are not shutting down. Some flights in the northeast are delayed by about 90 minutes due to a shortage of air traffic controllers.

Also reprehensible is that idiot of a Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, who can't seem to understand why workers need to get paid to go to work. The man must be senile.
(paraphrasing) "Well, they should get a loan." - not understanding that most people can't just walk into a bank and say, "I need a loan!" "What for?" "I'm not getting paid!" "The door is that way." Sure, if you have +/-$700 million banks would be falling all over themselves to give you money, but not to average mes and yous...
 
Swerd

Swerd

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Also reprehensible is that idiot of a Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, who can't seem to understand why workers need to get paid to go to work. The man must be senile.
The man must be senile… or Republican.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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The man must be senile… or Republican.
Or perhaps has interests in the financial instutions that would provide these loans guaranteed by the government supposedly....drain that swamp!
 
Swerd

Swerd

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I'm still enjoying the news about Roger Stone. I heard he was in hand cuffs as he appeared before a judge.

A few items I saw in today's Washington Post:

‘This is your fault’: GOP senators clash over shutdown inside private luncheon
Republican senators clashed with one another and confronted Vice President Pence inside a private luncheon on Thursday, as anger hit a boiling point over the longest government shutdown in history.​
“This is your fault,” Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) at one point, according to two Republicans who attended the lunch and witnessed the exchange.​

Unpaid federal employees recalled so they can pay federal contractors
In a policy reversal sure to sting suffering federal employees, the Trump administration is calling some furloughed feds back to work with no pay so agencies can pay federal contractors.​
Guidance issued Tuesday by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) comes as 800,000 federal workers, about half of whom are now working without wages, will miss a second paycheck as the partial government shutdown persists like a chronic illness. They will get back pay when the shutdown is over.​

Wait a minute! Isn't the Director of OMB Mick Mulvaney – who is also the "acting" White House Chief of Staff? It's as if this latest shutdown action was intended all along as a way to deliberately insult, infuriate, and demoralize federal employees.

I think the Narcissist in a Fright Wig (aka the President) and Congress aren't doing their jobs. Why should they receive any pay? Why let them be guarded by the Secret Service? Let the furloughed Coast Guard and Transportation Security Agency employees protect them.
 
CB22

CB22

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Watch less Fox News.
Perhaps me watching PBS Newshour recently has changed my morality. Used watch Bill ORiley just so I could see Waters World. Those were the glory days of Fox. PS: I have a subscription the the WSJ ;)
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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Colbert nailed it last night when he said "no country cuz old men" :)
 
CB22

CB22

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Sounds like you guys are already getting fired up for 2020. Want to have some fun, try betting on the election. I've got $400 bet with a friend that Trump won't win again.
 
Swerd

Swerd

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I've got $400 bet with a friend that Trump won't win again.
Speaking of betting… The Narcissist in a Fright Wig is perhaps the only man in history who went bankrupt on a gambling casino. No wonder he had to get loans from Deutsche Bank (ie from his new pal Vladimir Putin),no US bank would gamble on him again.
 
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ryanosaur

ryanosaur

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Chaos and order are intrinsic in the universe. There is no morality. That is a construct of a chaos-prone and fallible species that arrogantly presumes to be in charge, the whole while making our planet potentially a hostile and unlivable place for said species... and all others that haven't yet been wiped out by... well, US.

Assuming "intelligent" life is not just a horrible aberration to universal order, then it stands to reason that one of two outcomes will prevail:
We will figure out how to live in harmony with the world and universe around us... perhaps this will be like Gene Roddenberry's vision of societal collapse and utopic resurrection. *shrugs Or not. *shrugs again
We will cease. The planet will continue until it, too, ceases when the sun expands and swallows up the inner solar system.

As to how we live our lives as humans on this rock, together, yet disparate (even though we are not?)...
I see the need for a massive paradigm shift in what it means to be alive, and human, and oh so very fragile. We need to stop turning inwards as we are wont to do (even in the face of globalization... or especially in the face of...). We need to stop celebrating our differences for the sake of being different.

Yes, that list can go on. But to what end?

Morality is an imposition of order onto chaos; a means of control.

The OP wanted to remove the politics that his question was framed by. But politics and religion are what have defined morality from the earliest days of any organized civilization.

Maybe instead of asking how does morality change, we should seek to answer how to change morality?

If morality, as I suggest, is a means of control, then who is determining the method of control and placing the yoke upon the rest of us?
 
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Hetfield

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Sounds like you guys are already getting fired up for 2020. Want to have some fun, try betting on the election. I've got $400 bet with a friend that Trump won't win again.
I agree, and I only say that because there is no way a majority of the country likes chaos. Dysfunction and chaos is all we are getting here. I can't imagine people voting for more of this but I couldn't the first time around so there is still a nutballs chance in hell he will.

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