How do you guys shut the monster cable lovers down?

[termin8ted314]

Just a random thought i had today. I hear these people always saying how monster cable is going to make their picture quality SOOOO much better. they need the Monster HDMI 1000 bla bla bla. I dont even bother engaging in an argument. You guys ever come across these types of people?

 

[FNG212]

All the time. If they don't get that copper is copper and don't care the prices are MONSTEROUSLY (i made lol) different, I don't waste my breath.

 

[skizzerflake]

Cable believers are holy-rollers of the audio/video world. The only thing you do is capture them and use coercive measures to deprogram them or shift them to another obsession like power conditioners. Medication might also help but sometimes it results in them doing things like getting in their cars and driving 100 miles without knowing where they are. They can only be lured home by the odor of oxygen-free copper.

 

[djreef]

Cable believers are holy-rollers of the audio/video world. The only thing you do is capture them and use coercive measures to deprogram them or shift them to another obsession like power conditioners. Medication might also help but sometimes it results in them doing things like getting in their cars and driving 100 miles without knowing where they are. They can only be lured home by the odor of oxygen-free copper.

.... and get your legal ducks in a row.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I good friend of mine got taken in at a big box store, when he purchased a complete HT a couple of months ago. The package included a very nice Samsung LCD, a lower-mid-range Yamaha receiver, a good Sony BR player and a Polk Audio RM 6750 5.1 speaker system. He isn't all that demanding of audio performance, so those speakers are fine for him and fairly priced. HOWEVER, for the cables, they convinced him to go with Monster.

I had tried to convince him to go with a better set of speakers, but he got a bit testy about it, so I dropped the subject. When he said that the package included Monster cables, I told him he could get the same quality for MUCH less. He had actually questioned the salesman about the need for such expensive cables and was told, "Time and time again, people buy the cheaper cables and then bring them back because they aren't happy with the performance. When they go home with the Monsters, they are much happier." So, my buddy went with the Monsters.

He didn't like it when I said that the great deal he got on his components went down the drain when he bought the Monster cables. The package also included installation. I was afraid to ask what that consisted of. I imagine that it consisted of plugging everything in and little else. No wonder people brought their cables back - with nothing calibrated, of course they would be unhappy. They'd have to blame something!

I never mentioned his HT again when my friend said, "How can you say there is no difference in the wires, but that there's a difference in speakers?" Sigh...

 

[Nemo128]

I strangle them with it.

 

[zhimbo]

He had actually questioned the salesman about the need for such expensive cables and was told, "Time and time again, people buy the cheaper cables and then bring them back because they aren't happy with the performance. When they go home with the Monsters, they are much happier." So, my buddy went with the Monsters.

Wow. Your buddy is an easy mark. Does he always listen to the dude making a commission to figure out how much money to spend?

I never mentioned his HT again when my friend said, "How can you say there is no difference in the wires, but that there's a difference in speakers?" Sigh..

 

[gmichael]

Just a random thought i had today. I hear these people always saying how monster cable is going to make their picture quality SOOOO much better. they need the Monster HDMI 1000 bla bla bla. I dont even bother engaging in an argument. You guys ever come across these types of people?

Introduce them to a Bose lover and sit back to watch the sparks fly.

 

[GlocksRock]

Tell them to buy a $150 6 ft. top of the line monster brand HDMI cable from best buy, then you buy this: http://www.firefold.com/HDMI-Cable-13b-30AWG-6-Foot-With-Gold-Plated-Connectors-w-FireFold-Logo-P4469C485.aspx and show them that the audio and video quality is exactly the same, except the monster cable costs 100 times more.

 

[JerryLove]

There's a saying that you cannot reason someone away from a position they did not reach through reason.

I suppose that never stops me from trying.

A more nuanced version of the 5-year-old "respond with 'why'" method comes to mind.

"On what do you base your belief that monster cable will produce a better sound than lamp cord?".

Depending on their answer, ask for the basis of that knowledge. It will almost universally come back to "someone told me"... and it will be a salesman, buddy, or magazine.

At that point, question some combination of bias (salesman and magazine) or their source of knowledge (salesman and buddy).

BTW: this system should only be used against a position that is actually wrong.

PS: It is possible that they will refer to some "demo" in the store. These are generally rigged (see roger-russel's article on speaker wire for one example... in fact, it's a good read regardless), but will likely require a little research or significant questioning to find the problem with.

 

[njedpx3]

Bose is misunderstood ---Too much Group Think

Introduce them to a Bose lover and sit back to watch the sparks fly.

Bose is misunderstood. Yes they are overpriced and yes most Acoustimaster systems don't sound great.

Wave radios sound excellent --- very over priced.

Bose 901 speakers sound very good ----have you heard them ??

I find it sad that almost every Bose basher is a "group think" person; they have never even taken the time to audition them. Similar to "group think" on Monster, Yes Monster is way over priced, but actually their quality is very good. Personally I would go with Blue Jeans Cables or Monoprice

Just my opinions not a Monster or Bose advocate- now Kuro Elite, Marantz, Def Tech and SVS person.

You 'all have a great day peace to all Bose and monster haters!

njedpx3

 

[GO-NAD!]

Bose is misunderstood. Yes they are overpriced and yes most Acoustimaster systems don't sound great.

Wave radios sound excellent --- very over priced.

Bose 901 speakers sound very good ----have you heard them ??

I find it sad that almost every Bose basher is a "group think" person; they have never even taken the time to audition them. Similar to "group think" on Monster, Yes Monster is way over priced, but actually their quality is very good. Personally I would go with Blue Jeans Cables or Monoprice

Just my opinions not a Monster or Bose advocate- now Kuro Elite, Marantz, Def Tech and SVS person.

You 'all have a great day peace to all Bose and monster haters!

njedpx3

Oh, I don't think anybody is questioning the quality of Monster's products. It's the marketing and pricing practices that we despise!

 

[chris357]

i was one of those guys who got sold on monster cables at first.. I did it partly because they looked cool, and I knew it was a profit center for the store.. yes I actually wanted my salesman to make a good comission on me.. he was a good knowledgable salesman. and then.. I unscrewed the connector end.. and saw it was only a little tiny wire badly soldered to the connectors.. at that point I started looking for another brand of cable and found cable solutions online.. they are very similar to blue jean cable in price and product.. I've been very happy with them and have saved lots of money if you dont count what i spent on the monster stuff in the beginning.

 

[krzywica]

In my experience Monster lovers are the same people that live in their cramped, Bose equipped condo's, drive their Prius's to work, unpack their Macbook's, and think that windmill power is saving the ozone.

They always have and always will drink the coolaid.

 

[gmichael]

Bose is misunderstood. Yes they are overpriced and yes most Acoustimaster systems don't sound great.

Wave radios sound excellent --- very over priced.

Your "excellent" must not be the same as mine.

Bose 901 speakers sound very good ----have you heard them ??

Why yes. I have. Not my cup of tea, but if you like them, you go for it.

I find it sad that almost every Bose basher is a "group think" person; they have never even taken the time to audition them. Similar to "group think" on Monster, Yes Monster is way over priced, but actually their quality is very good. Personally I would go with Blue Jeans Cables or Monoprice

Bose basher? If I express my oppinion I'm labled a Bose basher? And now I'm a "group think" person too? Does this mean that you are saying that I have no oppinion of my own? I just go with the crowd? Hmmm... Have you ever met me? If not, then you have no leg to stand on. Just as I would not have IF I have never listened to a set of 901's.

Just my opinions not a Monster or Bose advocate- now Kuro Elite, Marantz, Def Tech and SVS person.

You 'all have a great day peace to all Bose and monster haters!

njedpx3

You have a great day too. Peace to all who say things without thinking.

 

[njedpx3]

Thanks for your response

gmichael thanks for the feedback--please let me clarify. No offense meant in my clarification

Your "excellent" must not be the same as mine.

Compared to other clock radios,there are very few that compete with the Bose Wave sound except maybe the Sony XDR-S3HD. In the clock radio arena the Bose Wave has excellent sound and sensitivity for both AM and FM radio stations. The Bose Wave does not compare to HT systems, even the entry ones are better; that is not what was stated.

Why yes. I have. Not my cup of tea, but if you like them, you go for it.

When first introduced they were some of the best stereo speakers avaialble. Today there are many speakers that surpass the 901s some 30-40 years later.

Bose basher? If I express my oppinion I'm labled a Bose basher? And now I'm a "group think" person too? Does this mean that you are saying that I have no oppinion of my own? I just go with the crowd? Hmmm... Have you ever met me? If not, then you have no leg to stand on. Just as I would not have IF I have never listened to a set of 901's.

No not calling you a "Bose basher", it is just many of the people who express a negative opinion about Bose have never even listen to them! And listening to 901s for a short period in a store is not the same as owning and living with them. I had 901s in the 70s-80s; I have replaced them with Def Tech speakers. No I have not met you, so I will say you are an exception and have listened to Bose and have formed you own independent opinion. I still contend many people have not even auditioned Bose.

You have a great day too. Peace to all who say things without thinking.

Again I respect your opinion and have a great day! However, I did think before I spoke

Take care

 

[j_garcia]

I have to admit that the Wave radio is not bad at all. It definitely doesn't compete with a system that I could build for the same price or less, but it does it in a smaller package and does it surprisingly well. Would I buy one for myself? Definitely not for full price.

My dad has a $1500 Bose setup in their livingroom that sounds good. I bought him a small setup that cost $240 that is essentially the same size for his den/movie room and it sounds better

 

[gmichael]

gmichael thanks for the feedback--please let me clarify. No offense meant in my clarification

Hi NJ,

You are welcome. No offense taken. I'm having fun.

Compared to other clock radios,there are very few that compete with the Bose Wave sound except maybe the Sony DRY-S3HD. In the clock radio arena the Bose Wave has excellent sound and sensitivity for both AM and FM radio stations. The Bose Wave does not compare to HT systems, even the entry ones are better; that is not what was stated.

I believe that Boston Acoustics makes a very nice one for about the same as the Bose, and it sounds much better to my ears. I have a friend with a smaller one (maybe about $200, but not sure) It sounds great to me. I think that if you were to look hard enough, you'd find that there are quite a few more out there that are better than the Bose.

When first introduced they (Bose 901's) were some of the best stereo speakers available. Today there are many speakers that surpass the 901s some 30-40 years later.

They weren't/aren't bad. I just liked so many others better. And many of them were cheaper. (even 30-40 years ago)

No not calling you a "Bose basher", it is just many of the people who express a negative opinion about Bose have never even listen to them! And listening to 901s for a short period in a store is not the same as owning and living with them. I had 901s in the 70s-80s; I have replaced them with Def Tech speakers. No I have not met you, so I will say you are an exception and have listened to Bose and have formed you own independent opinion. I still contend many people have not even auditioned Bose.

I had a friend who had a set of the 901's from the late 70's till the early 80's. I spent many hours at his house playing pool. It was a huge upgrade IMO when he switched to a set of JBL towers. They still weren't the best, but it was like night and day to me.

I have a Bose system in my car. It sounds pretty good, but it's nowhere near the sound of a system from many other manufacturers at the same cost.

Again I respect your opinion and have a great day! However, I did think before I spoke

Take care

Fair enough. Ditto.


OP,

Sorry to have jacked your thread. I didn't mean to.
I do have a set of Monster wires as well as a Monster optical cable. They do a fine job, but I could have gotten the same (if not better) quality for much less.

 

[krzywica]

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And the feces launching ensues.

 

[lsiberian]

Oh, I don't think anybody is questioning the quality of Monster's products. It's the marketing and pricing practices that we despise!

I do question the quality of their products. I've had speaker cable that had plastic in the middle of the copper. For the price I paid it should have been all copper.