How close are we to WWIII?

[Dude#1279435]

France's president, Emmanuel Macron said that their Charles-de-Gaule vessel and its military force which shall be nearby, would ensure that the straight remains open.

Hopefully that stops $120 barrels.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Based on this one the war is basically over. Hundreds of US and Israel fighters. The big mistake Iran made was bombing the gulf and now those states are joining in. Iran should have directed their targets at Israel.

 

[dlaloum]

At least the various flavors of christiandom do not recommend killing their unbeliever "neighbors" or say that followers should lie to unbelievers: this item alone means that no treaty or agreement, across religions with an Islamic is safe.

I agree that personal enrichment, via religion, is a problem, but suggest that the pursuit of power is more of an issue across both religions.

Enjoy!

I will just remind you that the particularly American variety of Christianity had a penchant for burning crosses and lynchings.

 

[Mikado463]

It has been reported the Kurds will be providing some ground force in the next couple days. I assume this is in part an attempt to avoid US ground troops.

Kurds, at last count there was what, 8 different tribe / factions of that rag tag group, that should work out well................

 

[GO-NAD!]

I will lay that squarely at the feet of Joe Biden.

Scathing report on US withdrawal from Afghanistan blames Trump and Biden

State department’s findings also reflect poorly on Antony Blinken as it outlines the agency’s failure to expand crisis taskforce

www.theguardian.com

A US state department report on Friday criticized the handling of the 2021 evacuation from Afghanistan, saying decisions by President Joe Biden and his predecessor Donald Trump to withdraw troops had “serious consequences for the viability” and security of the former US-backed government.

The White House report effectively blamed the chaotic US pullout and evacuation operation on a lack of planning and troop reduction rounds by Trump following a 2020 deal with the Taliban to withdraw US forces.

“The decisions of both President Trump and President Biden to end the US military mission in Afghanistan had serious consequences for the viability of the Afghan government and its security,” said the review.

Politics is not musical chairs, but it doesn't stop partisans from trying to place responsibility for a problem on the last person standing. The GOP tried the same thing during and after the 2008 financial crisis. It occurred on GWB's watch, but they tried to pin it on Obama, who had inherited the mess.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Or this:

US commanders tell troops Trump 'anointed by Jesus' to start Iran war sparking hundreds of complaints

A Canadian Army veteran I know, who was embedded with US troops in Afghanistan ,was royally shat upon for not attending morning prayers prior to a planning meeting. While he had a good overall impression of American troops, the messianic outlook of some senior leaders made him a bit uneasy. I wouldn't trust anyone who believes in the Rapture to lead me into battle.

 

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The Christian religion may not state specifically killing non believers but they did anyway. You had Christians killing non believers and believers, catholicss against prostestants, reform schools for the native Americans, etc etc etc. The list goes on and on. My outlook is this, dont criticize the state of my own backyard until yours is immaculate...or more Christian like ... let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Tha Spanish Inquisition is a great example of why I don't have anything to do with this stuff.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I don't believe Rubio when he says the US had to join Israel because if we didn't they would attack us. Attack us where? Well I guess for as small a victory it is Iran did hit one of our bases.

I've also heard Iran has all these ballistics, but they only have 12-24 launch sites so wouldn't we just bomb the launch sites and put them outta commission? I don't think this is much of a war really and is only a matter of can Iran survive. A "regime change" is the real challenge and a free and fair election. Seems to me like we'll have to have security there to make sure that transition goes smoothly. It's rather daft to me Trump says the thing that could go wrong is the people could elect another baddie. So we're going through this war only to end up with the potential for another radical? You have to force your hand in the election process then.

 

[Mikado463]

First and foremost 'F' Iran !!

as highfigh stated earlier, 'we' have been fiddle farting around with that $hithole since Carter, perhaps this time 'real' change will be accomplished, fingers crossed !

 

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The GOP tried the same thing during and after the 2008 financial crisis. It occurred on GWB's watch, but they tried to pin it on Obama, who had inherited the mess.

The event occurred during W's second term, but the lead up took years. One of the reasons for it was the repeal of the Glass-Stiegalll Act, which banks and lending institutions and investment banking-they basically bundled bad debt and sold it as investments. I watched a documentary about Countrywide Loans and one of the people interviewed said that on his first day, he saw a Porche 911 in the parking lot with 'Fundum' on the plate- he asked what it meant and was told that it was the CEO's car- 'Fundum' was his philosophy of "If they can fog a spoon, fund them". The lenders just decided that since the loans were insured, they would let the mortgage insurers deal with the fallout when default occurred. The father of one of my customers was the CEO of one of the larger mortgage insurers and he testified in front of Congress regarding the inevitable problems in 2003. He had also started an organization called 'Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac Must Die'.

Barney Frank, Franklin Raines and Chris Dodd did as much to cause that as anyone.

Barney Frank Used Influence with Fannie Mae, the Failed Mortgage Giant Bailed Out by Taxpayers - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Former House Banking Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) tenaciously opposed efforts to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage giants that were bailed out at a cost to taxpayers of between $148 billion and $363 billion. Now it turns out that he got his...

cei.org

I'm not defending W as much as pointing out that the collapse had a lot of people causing the problems.

Setting the Record Straight: Six Years of Unheeded Warnings for GSE Reform

Today, the Washington Times incorrectly accused the White House of ignoring warnings of trouble ahead for government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) and neglecting to "adopt any reform until this summer," when it was too late. "Neither the White House nor Congress heeded the warnings, Fannie and...

georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov

 

[highfigh]

I don't believe Rubio when he says the US had to join Israel because if we didn't they would attack us. Attack us where? Well I guess for as small a victory it is Iran did hit one of our bases.

I've also heard Iran has all these ballistics, but they only have 12-24 launch sites so wouldn't we just bomb the launch sites and put them outta commission? I don't think this is much of a war really and is only a matter of can Iran survive. A "regime change" is the real challenge and a free and fair election. Seems to me like we'll have to have security there to make sure that transition goes smoothly. It's rather daft to me Trump says the thing that could go wrong is the people could elect another baddie. So we're going through this war only to end up with the potential for another radical? You have to force your hand in the election process then.

The bases are where Iran would attack first.

Iran had the Assembly of Experts, which is the group that chooses/removes the Supreme Leader and is supposed to oversee him, but they were all killed in part of the attack, so they'll need to choose a new assembly in order to do much of anything since they and the Supreme Leader are needed to control the military, etc. No important decisions or orders can be given without them. In theory. We'll see who is in charge at the moment and how far they want to stick their neck(s) out.

 

[Dude#1279435]

First and foremost 'F' Iran !!

as highfigh stated earlier, 'we' have been fiddle farting around with that $hithole since Carter, perhaps this time 'real' change will be accomplished, fingers crossed !

Seems to me we need forced election choices: 1) non-radical, 2) non-radical, 3) non-radical LOL.

 

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Seems to me we need forced election choices: 1) non-radical, 2) non-radical, 3) non-radical LOL.

Or rigged elections by ISIS, Taliban, El-Quida, or some other terrorist group. Thats why US and Israel need to put boots to the ground. If neither country does this, then I see this as an act of hate by war mongers, Trump, and Netanyahu (Palestinian haulocost deliverer) and not a legit regime change as these aholes portray. The US has a failing grade so far for failing to establish regime changes successfully. I dont give Iran much hope for that and like Afgansistan will most likely be lost to one of the terror groups.

 

[GO-NAD!]

The bases are where Iran would attack first.

Iran had the Assembly of Experts, which is the group that chooses/removes the Supreme Leader and is supposed to oversee him, but they were all killed in part of the attack, so they'll need to choose a new assembly in order to do much of anything since they and the Supreme Leader are needed to control the military, etc. No important decisions or orders can be given without them. In theory. We'll see who is in charge at the moment and how far they want to stick their neck(s) out.

Meanwhile...

Iran postpones Khamenei’s farewell as Israel threatens to kill successor

Israel's defence minister says next leader 'target for assassination' as Iran postpones commemorations for Khamenei.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Dude#1279435]

Or rigged elections by ISIS, Taliban, El-Quida, or some other terrorist group. Thats why US and Israel need to put boots to the ground. If neither country does this, then I see this as an act of hate by war mongers, Trump, and Netanyahu (Palestinian haulocost deliverer) and not a legit regime change as these aholes portray. The US has a failing grade so far for failing to establish regime changes successfully. I dont give Iran much hope for that and like Afgansistan will most likely be lost to one of the terror groups.

Off topic but I could never have imagined back in '88 Russia pulling out of Afghanistan.

 

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First and foremost 'F' Iran !!

as highfigh stated earlier, 'we' have been fiddle farting around with that $hithole since Carter, perhaps this time 'real' change will be accomplished, fingers crossed !

It was the US support for the Shaw of Iran that caused this dictatorship to take hold. Its indirectly US's fault for this and here we come full circle.

 

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Off topic but I could never have imagined back in '88 Russia pulling out of Afghanistan.

They were losing men an equipment in a major way with help from US weapons.

 

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Meanwhile...

Iran postpones Khamenei’s farewell as Israel threatens to kill successor

Israel's defence minister says next leader 'target for assassination' as Iran postpones commemorations for Khamenei.

www.aljazeera.com

Attacking a funeral with that many mourners and killing what Im guessing to be over 98% of civilians would be a war crime. Come to think of it, both Trump ahd Netanyahu are already both guilty of committing them.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I've heard two people say Israel's next target is Turkey. Uh ok what are they doing that requires an insurgence?

Also I heard Israel is attacking Lebanon so would like to know what that's about. I always found some of the best war explanations is when you have that ex-general pointing his stick at the map cause I'm a visual learner.

Ah think it's Hezbollah in Lebanon not meeting the ceasefire agreements. I don't really understand shiites, hez, kurds etc and just assume their all a part of the same umbrella.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I've heard two people say Israel's next target is Turkey. Uh ok what are they doing that requires an insurgence?

Also I heard Israel is attacking Lebanon so would like to know what that's about. I always found some of the best war explanations is when you have that ex-general pointing his stick at the map cause I'm a visual learner.

Ah think it's Hezbollah in Lebanon not meeting the ceasefire agreements. I don't really understand shiites, hez, kurds etc and just assume their all a part of the same umbrella.

Do you mean Iran's next target is Turkey? Turkey is a NATO ally.