How close are we to WWIII?

mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
First and foremost 'F' Iran !!

as highfigh stated earlier, 'we' have been fiddle farting around with that $hithole since Carter, perhaps this time 'real' change will be accomplished, fingers crossed !
Like the 20-year campaign in Afghanistan by the US and 10 years for the Russians changed anything. ;)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
It was US support for the Shaw of Iran that caused this dictatorship to take hold. Its indirectly US's fault for this and here we come full circle.
Yes, the spark that ignited.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord







Politics is not musical chairs, but it doesn't stop partisans from trying to place responsibility for a problem on the last person standing. The GOP tried the same thing during and after the 2008 financial crisis. It occurred on GWB's watch, but they tried to pin it on Obama, who had inherited the mess.
Exactly. Instead of working together to solve an issue that could affect more American lives, the parties stick to their political ideals and the BS keeps going. I wish the futur US governments make a choice. Either stop meddling in other countries' affairs all together or meddle but stick to the game plan for the other countries' long term stability and ignore the politics and unpopularity at home. Both US governments, republican and democrats, failed miserably with Afghanistan and f'ed up royally and now its a terrorist state. I don't know whether to throw fruit at the past US governments or give a standing ovation for their sheer stupidity, greed, and short sightedness.
 
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ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
Seems to me we need forced election choices: 1) non-radical, 2) non-radical, 3) non-radical LOL.
Iran has many different sects, but from what I've read, across the board about 25% are hardline Islamists, 25% would willingly kill the Islamists, and 50% just want to live their lives in peace. Rewind back to Jan, the national strike and mass protests by millions of Iranians was spearhe!ded by the merchant class, part of that 50%, on economic grounds (hyperinflation). Hyperinflation is a precursor to civil war in most cases, and despite the IRGC wiping out 30k or so of their own citizens, Iran was headed that way.

I question the wisdom of our intervention, and who knows what the mixmaster of regional sectarian strife will spit out, but for many Iranians the US involvement feels more like the liberation of Europe from Nazism in WWII, not the invasion of Iraq. They begged us to do this when the IRGC was killing en mass.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a chance, a non-zero chance, that a sane, non-radical faction can emerge and lead Iran.
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
Kurds, at last count there was what, 8 different tribe / factions of that rag tag group, that should work out well................:rolleyes:
As opposed to American Christians (to use one category) - which are of course a single cohesive monolithic group.....
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
Iran has many different sects, but from what I've read, across the board about 25% are hardline Islamists, 25% would willingly kill the Islamists, and 50% just want to live their lives in peace. Rewind back to Jan, the national strike and mass protests by millions of Iranians was spearhe!ded by the merchant class, part of that 50%, on economic grounds (hyperinflation). Hyperinflation is a precursor to civil war in most cases, and despite the IRGC wiping out 30k or so of their own citizens, Iran was headed that way.

I question the wisdom of our intervention, and who knows what the mixmaster of regional sectarian strife will spit out, but for many Iranians the US involvement feels more like the liberation of Europe from Nazism in WWII, not the invasion of Iraq. They begged us to do this when the IRGC was killing en mass.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a chance, a non-zero chance, that a sane, non-radical faction can emerge and lead Iran.
Almost zero chance now. (of regime change)

The leaders of the democratic factions, all the prominent ones were being held in house arrest by the Islamist regime.... and the homes they were being held in, were all targeted by the USA or Israel.

So part of the attack strategy has been to intentionally decapitate all the organised democratic factions in Iran, so as to leave the field clear for the Pahlavi's to be imposed as a totalitarian secular replacement for the totalitarian fundamentalists.

Most Iranians are not overly enthused about such a swap. - Replace one set of secret police, and repressive regime, by a different one, imposed by Israel and the USA....

Needless to say, Iranians are not rushing out in the streets to risk their life and limb for a new Shah.

The martyrdom of the existing leadership (and the democratic alternatives!) - is merely increasing the popularity of resistance against the attacks, and fighting against externally imposed governance.

The new Supreme Leader's popularity, is being enhanced every day by ongoing attacks.

Strategic bombing campaigns do not have a good historical track record with regards to generating changes of heart in a population or in their leadership. Didn't work with the Germans bombing Britain, or the Allies bombing Germany, and the success with regards to Japan is and has been a highly contentious and debatable issue.... Iran required troops on the ground to change regimes, the bombing campaign did not do it there either, and then there's Gaza.... which has been completely razed, and yet Hamas remains in charge.
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
Iran has many different sects, but from what I've read, across the board about 25% are hardline Islamists, 25% would willingly kill the Islamists, and 50% just want to live their lives in peace. Rewind back to Jan, the national strike and mass protests by millions of Iranians was spearhe!ded by the merchant class, part of that 50%, on economic grounds (hyperinflation). Hyperinflation is a precursor to civil war in most cases, and despite the IRGC wiping out 30k or so of their own citizens, Iran was headed that way.

I question the wisdom of our intervention, and who knows what the mixmaster of regional sectarian strife will spit out, but for many Iranians the US involvement feels more like the liberation of Europe from Nazism in WWII, not the invasion of Iraq. They begged us to do this when the IRGC was killing en mass.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a chance, a non-zero chance, that a sane, non-radical faction can emerge and lead Iran.
As per my previous postings - the bombing campaign has also intentionally targeted all the leaders of the non-radical factions... something which many partisan media sources tend to gloss over...(or simply ignore).

The non-radical opposition has been destroyed far more effectively than the regime itself.

Both the USA and Israel are proposing the Pahlavi heir (a Shah) as a "non-radical" alternative - a total nonsense as the Iranian people are well aware of how the Shah ran his totalitarian repressive regime.... it's only redeeming feature was that it wasn't a fundamentalist religious regime.

Given the choice between the Isalmists or the Shah, the Iranians aren't about to risk life and limb to protest/revolt
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
As per my previous postings - the bombing campaign has also intentionally targeted all the leaders of the non-radical factions... something which many partisan media sources tend to gloss over...(or simply ignore).

The non-radical opposition has been destroyed far more effectively than the regime itself.

Both the USA and Israel are proposing the Pahlavi heir (a Shah) as a "non-radical" alternative - a total nonsense as the Iranian people are well aware of how the Shah ran his totalitarian repressive regime.... it's only redeeming feature was that it wasn't a fundamentalist religious regime.

Given the choice between the Isalmists or the Shah, the Iranians aren't about to risk life and limb to protest/revolt
Gone full circle again.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
I'm guessing Trump will pull out at some point and declare victory, or he will say he's not sending in ground troops but will. There's no support for that cause who wants to die for "those losers" so it's probably the former. I'm not really for certain though.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
I'm guessing Trump will pull out at some point and declare victory, or he will say he's not sending in ground troops but will. There's no support for that cause who wants to die for "those losers" so it's probably the former. I'm not really for certain though.
If what you just posted is the sentiment of the American people (I can understand that), then the US needs to stop MEDDLING in other countries' affairs. If the US cannot walk its talk about establishing democracy in other nations, then it needs to stop meddling. If not, the US will be the sole cause for creating terrorist states like it did in Aghanistan. The US is 100% percent responsible for the failure in Afghanistan. Not Russia. The US!!
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Russia and China have been conspicuously quiet- how will Russia acquire Iranian drones, now?
Like the 20-year campaign in Afghanistan by the US and 10 years for the Russians changed anything. ;)
It did- that proxy war is how the US met & mingled with Osama bin Laden- when the US left, they abandoned him and that REALLY pi$$ed him off.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
As per my previous postings - the bombing campaign has also intentionally targeted all the leaders of the non-radical factions... something which many partisan media sources tend to gloss over...(or simply ignore).

The non-radical opposition has been destroyed far more effectively than the regime itself.

Both the USA and Israel are proposing the Pahlavi heir (a Shah) as a "non-radical" alternative - a total nonsense as the Iranian people are well aware of how the Shah ran his totalitarian repressive regime.... it's only redeeming feature was that it wasn't a fundamentalist religious regime.

Given the choice between the Isalmists or the Shah, the Iranians aren't about to risk life and limb to protest/revolt
I don't disagree that the chances of what I hoped for are slim, and our intervention probably reduces the odds further. Iran was already headed for civil war, intervention or not.

As for Pahlavi, the Israelis seem to be pushing quite hard for him, with surprising support from Iranian youth, but the US not so much. Israel seems to be calling the shots, targeting leadership of all stripes, ignoring the rumored no-kill list from the US. The US (or Trump at least) wants it resolved before the midterms, willing to deal with whoever to achieve that. But those people are all being eliminated.
 
Happy Joe

Happy Joe

Audioholic
I will just remind you that the particularly American variety of Christianity had a penchant for burning crosses and lynchings.
Afraid not; such things are generally abhorrent to all of the people that I know personally, (and while I am not a supporter of organized religion I do not believe the majority of christians supported such things.

I do recommend that you look at who attended the funeral spoke at the funeral of the last high mucky muck of the KKK (Likely burning in a better place now)...
... such pillars of honesty and morality giants as Hillary KKKlinton and Joe Bribem...(both closely associated with the Dumbacratic Party.

Enjoy!
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
If what you just posted is the sentiment of the American people (I can understand that), then the US needs to stop MEDDLING in other countries' affairs. If the US cannot walk its talk about establishing democracy in other nations, then it needs to stop meddling. If not, the US will be the sole cause for creating terrorist states like it did in Aghanistan. The US is 100% percent responsible for the failure in Afghanistan. Not Russia. The US!!
As Ric Flair I think said if you're going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk. I'm fine with boots on the ground
Afraid not; such things are generally abhorrent to all of the people that I know personally, (and while I am not a supporter of organized religion I do not believe the majority of christians supported such things.

I do recommend that you look at who attended the funeral spoke at the funeral of the last high mucky muck of the KKK (Likely burning in a better place now)...
... such pillars of honesty and morality giants as Hillary KKKlinton and Joe Bribem...(both closely associated with the Dumbacratic Party.

Enjoy!
Rise of the alt-right 2016-J6.
 

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