Home Theater Project...

Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
So this should be a fun thread to start -- My soon to be father in law is building a new home which has a dedicated media room. Knowing the tech and audio/theater junkie that I am, he has slated me with designing, purchasing, and installing the system in this room. :D

The room will be a dedicated space and is 20ft x 20ft with a 10ft ceilings which will be trayed. I will list the system below that I have already gotten the OK to go ahead with, but am open to any suggestions and input from any any of the various aspects of the system. The primary use of this space will definitely be movies/tv with a very slight amount of music listening.

System so far:

Video Components

-Espon 8500UB Projector
-Carada 118" Criterion Series Screen
-Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player

Audio Components

-SVS MTS 7.2 System in Piano Black
1 Pair MTS Towers
1 MCS Center
2 Pairs MBS for Surround Channels
2 PB13-Ultra Subwoofers
-SVS AS-EQ1 Subwoofer EQ
-Onkyo TX-NR5007 AVR (A little unsure on Onkyo however, Denon AVR-4310[same price] or Denon AVR-4810[$1k more than Onkyo])
-Emotiva XPA-3

This system with all speaker stands, power conditioners/protectors, all cables for install, cabinet/rack for components -- comes out to a hair over $15k. I think this will be killer in the size space and am open to other suggestions -- price wise it could go higher without issue given justification for different components. I think this system would be hard to beat for the price without going way up in price...

Interested to see and hear any suggestions...
 
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ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
... that's going to be fun.

Since he is building the house, now is the time to change the "square" room into something that will sound better. Also account for acoustic treatments.

You know the rule for speakers so I won't say it.

The Ultra subs suck....
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Any interest in heights/wides? The 4810 can be purchased at Electronics Expo for under $2K.
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
Since he is building the house, now is the time to change the "square" room into something that will sound better. Also account for acoustic treatments.

The Ultra subs suck....
As for the square room -- I already talked to him about that and for resale purposes he doesn't want to mess with the floor plan any more than already has been done...so unfortunately thats the size it will be. Acoustic treatments will come after I have had some time to listen and measure the space with the speakers installed.

And yeah those Ultras stink don't they...;)

As for the heights or wide speaker channels no interest there...7.2 will be more than enough for him. And thanks for the info on the 4810 I will look that up....
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Understood on the room, it will still be great.

The only way I can allow you to get those crappy Ultras- is to have them sent here. I will test them for free and decide if they are good enough for your family. I am willing to protect you so if they perform poorly, I will just suffer and keep them at my house.
As for the square room -- I already talked to him about that and for resale purposes he doesn't want to mess with the floor plan any more than already has been done...so unfortunately thats the size it will be. Acoustic treatments will come after I have had some time to listen and measure the space with the speakers installed.

And yeah those Ultras stink don't they...;)

....
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Sounds like a killer system... I'm sure he will be more than pleased with the results. Get some pics if you can.
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
The only way I can allow you to get those crappy Ultras- is to have them sent here. I will test them for free and decide if they are good enough for your family. I am willing to protect you so if they perform poorly, I will just suffer and keep them at my house.
I will keep this in mind when order time comes...;) All of this won't come to completion until late this year -- but I'm doing plans and schematics now so the room gets wired and set-up properly for an easy installation. Will most certainly be putting this sytem up once it all comes together...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
All of this won't come to completion until late this year --
Bookmark the +3k PJ subforum of AVS, and check in daily for the next 6 months. :p I got my own JVC on a sale there (which sold out in 24 hours), and I missed a recent sale of the RS20 for $3k there. IMO, well worth the difference from the 8500 at that kind of price. A unit like that is probably +95% the performance of the reference RS35, with its own CMS, etc, but at about half the cost.

If I got to do a full reboot of my own HT, I'd probably get a Seymour CenterStageXD screen. Then you can have identical, vertically arrayed speakers, all on the same height, best horiz dispersion, best chances for dialogue intelligibility, best acoustic match possible, best panning possible, dialogue and action utterly locked to screen. You can buy as DIY fabric, or prebuilt. Chris Seymour is also the author of the well known AH center speaker lobing article.

Depending on what you do finally choose for processor, and I'm saying this with your willingness to buy the ASEQ1, if that processor is pro capable, I would consider the Audyssey SubEQ instead. The extra cost will only come with the Pro mic kit, but the SubEQ will be more accurate because of the superior mic, and then you can also do Pro level cals with your pre/pro. Just something to know, anyways.

There's my 3 cents. :D
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
So this should be a fun thread to start -- My soon to be father in law is building a new home which has a dedicated media room. Knowing the tech and audio/theater junkie that I am, he has slated me with designing, purchasing, and installing the system in this room. :D

The room will be a dedicated space and is 20ft x 20ft with a 10ft ceilings which will be trayed. I will list the system below that I have already gotten the OK to go ahead with, but am open to any suggestions and input from any any of the various aspects of the system. The primary use of this space will definitely be movies/tv with a very slight amount of music listening.

System so far:

Video Components

-Espon 8500UB Projector
-Carada 118" Criterion Series Screen
-Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player

Audio Components

-SVS MTS 7.2 System in Piano Black
1 Pair MTS Towers
1 MCS Center
2 Pairs MBS for Surround Channels
2 PB13-Ultra Subwoofers
-SVS AS-EQ1 Subwoofer EQ
-Onkyo TX-NR5007 AVR (A little unsure on Onkyo however, Denon AVR-4310[same price] or Denon AVR-4810[$1k more than Onkyo])
-Emotiva XPA-3

This system with all speaker stands, power conditioners/protectors, all cables for install, cabinet/rack for components -- comes out to a hair over $15k. I think this will be killer in the size space and am open to other suggestions -- price wise it could go higher without issue given justification for different components. I think this system would be hard to beat for the price without going way up in price...

Interested to see and hear any suggestions...
The first thing I would do is change the room's dimensions so it doesn't have any that are even multiples of each other. That 20'x20'x10' room will have all kinds of standing waves and they'll be hard to get rid of.

Second, RUN! RUN! You do realize that he's testing you, right? :eek:
 
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Captainmorgan89

Audioholic
I just gotta say, I HEART my XPA-3! Its a kickass amp, there really isnt a need for even 200 watts on tap. Its just plain badass.
 
Bryce_H

Bryce_H

Senior Audioholic
If you are still in construction (i.e. open walls) then plan and calculate all your current and future cabling needs and then double it. Conduit is your friend, but make sure it is big enough. A lot of my early posts revolve round the contruction of my dedicated theater room. Also check out this thread which I found very useful.
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
Second, RUN! RUN! You do realize that he's testing you, right? :eek:
Ha...this might be the case but I have no worries as I am the one with knowledge in the field. Money is not to too much concern for him he just wants a nice media room....being that he's not an enthusiast this room is going to blow them away. I mean they will be going from a Samsung LED in the living room with no speakers to this room for movie viewing -- no contest.

As for the projector suggestion mentioned earlier -- I talked it over and we will be going with the JVC DLA-RS10U as a minimum. If I can get a good price on one of the other models -- when time comes -- we shall see. But the JVC projectors are superior without a doubt to the Epson which is certainly no slouch...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
As for the projector suggestion mentioned earlier -- I talked it over and we will be going with the JVC DLA-RS10U as a minimum. If I can get a good price on one of the other models -- when time comes -- we shall see. But the JVC projectors are superior without a doubt to the Epson which is certainly no slouch...
Yeah, Epson sort of redefined projector value, shortly after JVC redefined projector value. :D Because of the difference is display tech, you never have to worry about dust blobs with JVC, and you get the highest fill ratio instead of the lowest fill ratio. Sexier casing is icing on the cake.

I'm pretty sure Sherardp has been looking to sell his RS10 (I think it was anyways), to yet again upgrade. He lives in Japan though. He sure bugs me enough times, haha. You can PM him.

Price differences in just a half year to year are substantial. My own was considered a steal at the time, 3k for an RS1, but then 1.5 yr later, I started a thread about an RS2 sale for 2.3k, and then less than one year later, there is the RS20 for 3k.

I'll tell you what, if the RS10/15 can be had for a great price, go for it. Sure, it gives up some contrast to the 20/25/35, but the main improvement (read: main reason for such large price difference), is the CMS. However, CMS has become oh sooooooo much more affordable in the last couple of years, and more products with better implementation are probably soon on their way. Before, it was 4-4.5k for a good CMS, now it can be had for about 1k, or less.

This was the last CMS device that I was interested in myself, but haven't kept up on its comparative implementation.
http://avfoundry.com/videoeq.php

So, you can always just add that later when upgraditis kicks in. The RS10 will blow you guys away for at least a while. ;) I will say with the RS1, it's only green that can ever be offensive (but only I would know that among viewers), and I think the most offensive scene was in Band of Brothers, when the guys are riding the motorcycle/sidecar; a lot of BoB has a denatured look, so a pushed green can look funky on that type of background.

Anyways, for CMS, you'll want a nice colorimeter like the EyeOne Pro, computer, and CMS/software of choice. That colorimeter is like 1k though, and while you can spend a lot less . . . well with the time and effort, might as well have it be considerably more accurate with results . . .

Long story short: even if you "short yourself" with the RS10/15, it can still be quickly made into a near-equivalent of the 20/25 with a quick add-on.

edit: ok, in case you do get a 20/25, here are some CMS/calibration threads,
RS20
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1142828
RS25
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1191259
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
Josten,

Is the 1.78:1 ration screen the way to go for most general and easy use ?? Without masking I didn't think the wider ration screens were they way to go...the screen I priced out for this system was the Carada 118" Criterion 1.78:1...just wanted to double check.

Also, I looked into the manual for the RS10U which isn't too revealing about the lens shift capability -- and I wanted to be sure that mounting the screen probably about 30-34" inches from the ground and with the projector mounted at ceiling 10' foot height probably, about 12-15' feet back from the screen the lense shift will work taking into consideration zoom and everything else...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Is the 1.78:1 ration screen the way to go for most general and easy use ?? Without masking I didn't think the wider ration screens were they way to go...the screen I priced out for this system was the Carada 118" Criterion 1.78:1...just wanted to double check.
Good question. Obviously, opinions can differ quite a bit here, but AH seems to be a bit more pro 1.78 than some other forum like AVS, but there are still some nice scope setups here.

The skinny of it all: Either way is a compromise, no matter how you slice it. So, which compromise fits best in your room is the question to ask. If height limited, with plenty of width, go wider. If width limited, with plenty of height, go 1.78. If neither is a limitation, well . . .

And I'm speaking in terms of equal PQ. Some just don't like the idea of putting another lens in front of the PJ. There is natural distortion, pincushioning, so the choice of lens is paramount according to many. Look at ISCO III, perhaps Panamorph as well. Yeah, you'll need the VP to make this usable (and the RS10 may have it, not sure), as well as the lens sled (automatic is nice, esp at 10').

Why is it a compromise, no matter how you slice it? Because if I set it up perfect for 2.35, 1.78 may become overwhelming. If I set it up perfect for 1.78, 2.35 is simply not nearly immersive as it should be. Now, some will say that many of the best and/or funnest films will be in 2.35, but there's a lot of good stuff in 1.78, many cartoons, BoB, Avatar, every concert BD that I've seen, etc.

Some more reasons why 1.78 may be a better choice: Not everything is 2.35 or 1.78. Some movies are in 2.00, or other ARs too. I think of The Last Emperor, for example. I have no idea how well something like How The West Was Won works on a scope setup, whether in smile-box, or 2.89 or whatever the funk it's called. Or how about The Dark Knight? Only with a 1.78 screen can you get all of the video information (unless you like hitting pause every time the AR changes to redo scope/VP, which would be double digit times).

I think what most of us do with 1.78, and a big 1.78 at that, is find our perfect personal compromise between 1.78 and 2.35 viewing.

No doubt that a scope screen is sexy. But just think about how much smaller 1.78 is on there. The real sexiness, the real solution for all possibilities, is an automated masking system, however, you will need to redo focus/zoom for any particular desire, possibly. Mucho moula. (edit: ok, I exaggerate, even then, I would calibrate pic for the middle-ground, in-between size, so that going smaller or bigger will not stray too far from ideal settings.)

Also, I looked into the manual for the RS10U which isn't too revealing about the lens shift capability -- and I wanted to be sure that mounting the screen probably about 30-34" inches from the ground and with the projector mounted at ceiling 10' foot height probably, about 12-15' feet back from the screen the lense shift will work taking into consideration zoom and everything else...
I may get around to hunting the shift abilities, but it's quite healthy. You can get direct answers by calling vendors, I'm sure like at PP, where they have this nice calculator for throw:
http://www.projectorpeople.com/promos/projcalc.asp?sku=DLA-RS10U&itmname=JVC+DLA-RS10U

In my experience with their calculator for the RS1, they are very "safe" about it, and the real world limitations exceed what is given by the calculator.

Oh, tip of the moment: further placement for increased contrast, and closer placement for brightness.

Ok fine, another tip: many JVCs, and I am almost certain it's the case for the RS10, you will increase ANSI contrast with some use of vertical shift.
 
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A/HTArchitect

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one question...

Why are you buying this stuff new ?
 

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