Home Theater in New Home Construction

TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
With in the next three years I will begin constructing homes to be sold for profit. And by that I mean, me, myself, and I will be constructing homes. I have alot of planning to do yet as far as dimensions, most of which will be based upon location/competition.

Yes I know the housing market sucks right now, but with the plans I have currently, no builder could match my quality and features and still turn a profit.

With that in mind, I have considered home theater as a selling point. A current trend is to ditch the 'dining room' and 'living room' and consolidate to one large kitchen-entertainment area. In that space I could set up a modest home theater with the necessary components to make it easy to use and un-intimidating. This would include furniture as well so that you could be cozy with your family, with the seating to entertain guests.

A recent article spoke of college grads postponing home ownership due to lack of work and the expense of paying back loans. My thought is to offer as much in the house as possible, a new twist on the phrase 'move-in ready.' An extra $10k-$15k in furniture and entertainment is not so bad to think about when rolled in to a 30 year mortgage.

Thoughts or comments?
 
timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
I wouldnt pay more for a home with the theater in the livingroom/kitchen area.

If you were to design a dedicated home theater room that is somewhat soundproofed from the remaining home & able to seal up then id be all over paying more for something on those lines. If your designing from scratch then have a 15.5' x 23' x 8' room with staggered studded walls, double 3/4" drywall mounted on channels etc etc. you dont have to get too crazy but a little planning goes a long way! Im probably off on proper room dimensions & there are tons of options to isolate the sound but even a couple extras can help a lot!

I really think though that a dedicated theater is the way to sell the home!! :)

I'll be in the market to buy in a few years & im in L.A county now so let me know when your ready to sell!!! My sister is in Aliso so id be up to move down south...
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
It is ideal to have a home theater in a basement area, and I'm not sure where you are building or what your concepts are, but far to often new construction does a low rent sell out to the clueless alarm company for the A/V work.

I definitely see some potential with what you are suggesting, but it needs to be done through a proper partnership with an A/V company that knows what they are diong and can service and support the product being installed.

A nice Sharp 80" LCD with some decent bookshelves surrounding it as a 'built-in' design and a focus on an open entertaining area for day/night use with a good universal remote control certainly isn't outrageous to think people will buy into. The layout is the key and I will say that builders are still fu%$ed in the head when they design around a fireplace centric design. If you are in an area where fireplaces don't matter, then great. But, if you are in cold environment, then a centralized, low profile fireplace with good heat disperation with a large display over it at a lower height would be nice to see.

With the TV on hours a day and most people running their fireplace far less often, the centralization of the home entertainment system around a cohesive design certainly has market potential. But, that potential must be included with product the client may already have, and a future proof capability which is so often lacking in new home construction. Smart pathways, future cabling potential, distributed A/V capabilities, and liberal use of CAT-5 to give more, for less.
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
Timoteo, yeah building local would be awesome, but I doubt the neighbors will let me get away with it, living so close together. I foresee living in a trailer for a year while I build over in AZ...

I do agree a dedicated theater is the way to go, but I am budgeting $150k for the entire property this first time around. So I will be taking advantage of ID retailers to achieve an easy to use 7 channel system in this room. Thats wishful thinking of course, it could just be a very nice 2 channel powered by separates with said 80" screen so that the owner could add speakers as they desire.

BMXTRIX has a good point tho. Having a local dealer involved for potential servicing is a strong selling point. Perhaps paying them to do audio analyzing before and after installation would help seal a relationship. Or if they offer speakers at prices that put off Aperion or the like.

I was already planning on PVC channeling and having data connections in every room. Its so simple, cheap, and easy to run CAT 5/6 through the house. This is the 21st century after all.

There probably will be a fireplace, but NOT the focal point of the room. I agree 100% on that issue. I also see the use of iron involved to make the fire place much more effective at heating, like the old stoves.

Hmm.. may be after I get a few houses under my belt Gene will be ready for a newly revised Audioholics home? :)
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
It's going to depend so much on your market and your intended buyers. For most of North America, a pre-existing home theater in a home is NOT something that buyers are looking for or willing to pay extra for.

Come to a forum like this, and of course we're going to tell you that we'd love to have a dedicated home theater room in our house and that we'd want it to be a separate, sealed, soundproofed room with ideal acoustic dimensions. But we're such a small, niche and dedicated sample of the home buying public.

I've got a couple friends who are realtors. If you want to spend a little extra anywhere in order to boost the selling price of the homes you build, put it in the kitchen! More than any other room in the house, the kitchen is what gets people to either consider the home an upgrade that they are willing to shell out a higher bid for, or just a "run of the mill" house that doesn't stand out above any of the competition.

And as stupid as I personally think it is, number of bedrooms comes next. Apparently, even if those bedrooms are tiny. Personally, I hate that kind of thinking, but I'm not the majority. If you can turn a 3 bedroom home into a 4 bedroom home by splitting one large bedroom into two tiny bedrooms, as much as a person like me might hate that, it winds up selling for a higher price!

In the bathroom, go basic, but upgrade the fixtures. Apparently, people are stupid because a shiny faucet fetches a higher price than a luxury tub. Basic tile finish, basic tub, toilet and sink, high end fixtures = easiest profit in the world!

You're spot on about the "great room". The open kitchen/dining area/living room is a big selling point these days. And fireplaces still up the price. I would gladly have no fireplace in my house, but again, I'm apparently not the majority. Even though people pretty much never use them because they're an utter pain in the *** to use, people still consider a fireplace a selling point. And contrary to the idea of the fireplace being off the side, most people WANT a big, bold fireplace that sticks out and yells, "HEY! Look at me! The people who own this house spent more money than they should have because I'm here taking up all your focus on the front wall and leaving no space for a good television!" Sorry, but that's apparently what people want.

You've gotta remember that the bulk of people who are buying a somewhat smaller, somewhat lower priced home are young couples. So it's all about what the wife wants. Which is why the home theater is so often all but impossible to fit into the layouts of modern homes. If you want to appeal to what are apparently most men, add a good sized garage. Leave the basement unfinished. Avoid sump pumps if you can.

If you want to have a nod to home theater, just pre-wire the living room for surround sound and leave it at that. Like you said, it's a super siimple and super cheap "upgrade" that makes a nice little bullet point on the pamphlet without scaring away the wife with a big TV and visible speakers. While any self-respecting home theater enthusiast would avoid the great room at all costs as the location of his theater, having "pre-wired for surround sound" on the pamphlet let's the wife say to the husband, "oh look, honey. It's pre-wired. Now you don't have to take up a room with your TV and speakers!"

It's nice that you're thinking about home theater. It's something I might consider a plus and people on this forum might consider a plus. But it's just not something that going to show a return on investment. If you go a pre-install a big TV, that's going to chase away far more potential buyers than it attracts. If they walk in and can actually SEE speakers, most of them will freak. Why do you think Bose sells so well? Tiny, crappy speakers - tiny being the most important thing.

What MIGHT be a plus for buyers is in-ceiling speakers pre-installed with a nice little Sonos system for music throughout the whole house. Women like music and they like a simple system that is invisible. So if you're going to do anything on the technology tip that you want to highlight as an upgrade in your homes, go for invisible in-ceiling speakers and whole home audio. Give them a system where they can plug in their iPod at a dock and play music anywhere.

If you want to give the home theater guys something to be happy about, lay out your unfinished basements so that there is a large enough room down there that they can finish it themselves into a dedicated theater. That's the most any true home theater buff could ever hope for! We usually want to pick out our own home theater gear anyway. And the more ambitious of us want to build a "room within a room" for maximum soundproofing and isolation.

So if you can, lay out the unfinished basement with a nice sized room that could either be a theater or a bar. That's what a man will want. But women (who ultimately get to decide the house purchase) do NOT want a big TV (or any TV for that matter) in the great room. They CERTAINLY do not want speakers that they can see. And the great room is a really crappy acoustical space for a home theater anyway. While I would personally love a fairly large bedroom that could be converted into a theater, it's better to have two 10' x 14' bedrooms than a single 14' x 20' room.

So, to summarize, great room is good. Fireplace that will stick out and make women go "ooh" is good. Spend almost all of your "upgrade" money in the kitchen. Upgrade the fixtures in the bathrooms. Go for more, smaller bedrooms that fewer, large bedrooms. Leave the basement unfinished. Do NOT pre-install a TV or speakers. Pre-wiring is fine, but don't expect it to return any sort of higher profit. Whole home audio IS a plus and a "wow, that's cool!" upgrade that will appeal to both women and men, so that's the best tech upgrade to include. Leave the basement unfinished. And if you care about home theater, use a layout down there that will allow a home theater guy to build his own down there. Make a nice garage for the men.

Stage it, but don't supply furniture. Staging brings in thousands extra. It's a huge return on investment. But actually making a pre-furnished home gets you almost nothing. If you want, allow buyers the option to keep the staging furniture for a fixed upgrade price. But definitely make it an option because most people want to furnish their own homes with their own stuff. And don't give them too much leeway. Make the option of keeping the staging furniture an "all or nothing" type of deal and set the price for keeping it in stone. If you want to offer them one additional choice, make the rugs and drapes/curtains their own separate item.

Do include appliances. Go for recognizable name brands rather than actual good stuff. While a very few people will appreciate a Viking range and a Traulsen fridge, most people will be happier with Whirlpool and Maytag. And skimp like crazy on the dishwasher. People use dishwashers for the first two weeks, then they fall back into their old habits. Everyone expects dishwashers to break because they're dishwashers. So never spend any extra to supply a good dishwasher, but DO supply a dishwasher because everyone always THINKS that they want one.

And everyone loves granite countertops, even though there are much better choices. If you want to make people really happy without them knowing it, use CaesarStone Quartz countertops that are made to look like granite...and then tell them it's granite. They won't pay any extra for CaesarStone Quartz because they don't know what it is. They WILL pay more for granite. CeasarStone is about a million times better, more durable and requires zero upkeep. So they'll be super happy with it. But they won't pay extra. So make it look like granite (which is easy), tell them it's granite (which they'll pay more for), and make them super happy because the countertop is awesome and NOT granite.

Spray foam above the garage with WallTite. Everyone hates the "cold room" above the garage and it gets more complaints to the home builder than anything other than leaks. So use the spray foam insulation there to take care of that problem. And tell the buyers about it. Mention how most new homes have a cold room above the garage. Lots of people have heard about this. So brag that you use spray foam to keep that room the same temperature as all the others!

Offer a HEPA filter pn the HVAC system as a fixed-price upgrade! People will jump on that one. But don't build it in automatically or they won't expect to pay any extra for it.

Basically, home buyers are dumb. If you want to profit, you have to tell them what they want to hear. If you REALLY want to make them happy, sell them a home that doesn't have a ton of problems after they buy it. But it's no use telling them HOW you made that happen unless it's something they already know. They know about the cold room above the garage. They know about leaks. They know "granite". They know "great room". They "know" more bedrooms is better. And they hate big TVs and speakers. And they're easily fooled into spending more by staging the home with nice furniture, rugs and curtains that does NOT stay unless they pay a fixed price more to keep it.

Hope that helps! And good luck in your home building adventures!
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
A recent article spoke of college grads postponing home ownership due to lack of work and the expense of paying back loans.
and that also is impacting normal folks as well, called lack of work plus banks are still not loaning money to support this buyers market.
Good luck with your builds.
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
Wow FirstReflection, I don't know what I did to deserve all that, but thank you! You wrote a book!

I hear you loud and clear on invisible speakers, and appreciate the point about a TV. The whole house audio is not a bad idea. But nonetheless, those upgrades will only happen with whatever funds are left after I've finished construction.

I'm all over the kitchen. As a home chef myself I am very aware on what works. The upgrades are all in the custom cabinetry that I will build myself. This kitchen will easily sell for $70k or more once I'm done, and cost me 1/3 of that with appliances. In nixing the dining room, I am constructing a large island with range so that everyone can gather around the chef with a curved bar so that even a large group can see eachother at all times.

I am unfamiliar with Ceasarstone, but it sounds similar to Corian. Either way, I hate laminate so thats right out, and would never spend the money on granite.

The fire place will be set on the long wall connecting kitchen and living room so that its warmth and view can be enjoyed no matter where you're sitting. It will be the focal point when you walk in to this great room but I just can't stand having it where a TV belongs on the short wall.

Insulation is all part of my green building plan. The exterior walls are 2x6 with gas filled windows. This great room will need a 9'-10' ceilings so I need to make it as efficient as possible. HEPA is not a bad idea.

Fixtures I know well, my parents met while working at American Standard. And all but the bedrooms will be tile or hardwood. Tubs, especially jet tubs are going out of style. I'll include at least one for small children, but the master bath will have one large, tiled, enclosed shower.

Bedrooms, copy that! I know the value in squeezing in a 4th. I plan to make it 2.5 bath, but hope to find a place for a third full bath.

I'm a gear head as well, so a nice garage with built in cabinetry is a must!

And thank you for the marketing suggestions. You make an excellent point. Building a house with zero problems after its sold is no monumental feat. Working by myself, I am forced to lay things out and plan each step. I cannot cut corners anywhere as a result, which is generally where most problems stem from.

CPP, I hear ya. Its a rough time, period. My hope is to be able to blow away the competition with quality and features so that I don't sit on the house for two years. Thanks for the well wishes, its gonna be a long year!

Hmm, to keep this thread on the hometheater track, I need to construct a cabinet for my new Emotiva stereo set up. Two UPA-1's and an XDA are sitting in their box waiting for me to give them a home, and of course the holidays mean I have zero free time. I get to install all of this on and over a fireplace. Thankfully the fire itself sits low, and the brick work is uniform top and bottom. I'll post pics in the coming weeks as I get it all installed!

Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming!
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
You're welcome! I'm used to writing long replies, so I think nothing of it :p

It's really tough to convey quality to buyers. I mean, every builder or seller is going to claim that their house is top quality and has no problems - which is usually a lie - but what builder is going to come out and say, "yeah, we really rushed and skimped and cut corners and you're probably going to have problems after you buy this house!" right? :p

Pretty much everything that has to do with quality is hidden behind the walls, so it's really tough to get that message across to buyers. They see the lipstick and mascara, not the bones and guts. One thing that might go a long way is if you take lots of pictures or video during the build. SHOW them exactly how the internals of their house is built so that they have a better understanding of all the stuff that they CAN'T see. A great finish is one thing, but a great foundation, structure, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, insulation - people can't see it, they aren't knowledgeable about it and it only crosses their mind when there's a problem! But no one's going to tell them they're going to have a problem. So if you build a house that doesn't have big problems, that's great! They're happy. But it's also simply what they expected, so you unfortunately don't get all the credit that you truly deserve.

People always say that if a builder goes above minimum code and builds a really solid house that doesn't have problems right away or after just a few years - they always say they'd be willing to pay more for that. Sorry, but that's just a big fat lie. They're only willing to pay more AFTER they've bought a house that has problems - especially those 3-5 year problems that crop up in a house that looks really nice, but the masonry guys rushed so now all the mortar is cracking and they're getting leaks, or all the super cheap caulking is going brittle, so they're getting drafts and leaks, or the crappy, rushed plumbing job starts to go, or the nails in the drywall start popping - all that kind of crap, which I'm sure you know all about!

So people always say they'll pay more for a well-built home that doesn't have these common and terrible problems that wind up costing tens if not hundreds of thousands to fix. But until they buy a house with those problems, it just isn't true. It's like everything else - people just want the lowest price. And they want to buy a bigger house than they can actually afford. I mean, why is it that so many builders build low quality, rushed, corners-cut houses? It's because they sell, turn a bigger profit, and the buyers get stuck with all the problems and builds because the legal system pretty much does nothing to punish these guys or help the home buyer. And honestly, if you bought a crappy quality house from one of these builders, do you really want THEM to be the ones to come back in and "fix" all the problems that they built in the first place? 'Cause that's the courts only solution, which is, of course, ridiculous.

Anyways, because of that, I'd say your ideal buyer would be a second time home buyer, not a first. First time home buyers are, apparently, the stupidest people on Earth. They're making what is easily most people's largest purchase in life, and they do pretty much nothing to educate themselves. You can make them super happy. You give them the lipstick and mascara that catches their eye and is the only way to get them to pay more. Then you actually do build a quality house that doesn't break on them within 5 years and they're super happy! But they weren't paying extra for that build quality. They were only paying extra for the shiny stuff that they could see.

It's a second time home buyer who's going to appreciate the bones of the house more than the finish. So if you're coming at this with the idea of building high quality, you have to go after buyers who are going to appreciate that. And it's only after they've gone through a nightmare that they realize it's worth a couple hours of their time to learn a little something about home construction and learn that the big crack in the foundation that the $500 "home inspector" told them was "no big deal, just fill it with caulk" is actually a VERY big deal that's going to cost them tens of thousands - or that their beloved granite countertop counts for nothing when all the plumbing in the house leaks, or that their pretty peaked roof with no visible roof vents for some reason is NOT a good thing when their entire attic turns into black mould! It's only after they've gone through the nightmare that they start to realize that what you see counts for pretty much nothing. Any experienced home buyer would much rather buy a house that needs everything they can see replaced but has great structure and guts, rather than the house that looks pretty, but is broken, or going to break, underneath.

So it sounds like you want to build houses that really "have it all". They look great for all the surfaces you can see - maybe have a few "extras" to get the newbie home buyers to go "ooh", AND have great structure and guts underneath to KEEP them happy well into the future! That's awesome. That's the way houses SHOULD be built. That's what first time home buyers are stupidly expecting. But there's a reason why so many new homes are rushed and built to low standards, and it's because that's how they manage to profit.

So your challenge is going to be all about conveying and educating your buyers as to why they should pay a bit more than the bigger, cheaper house down the street that looks almost as nice as the one you built. The easy way is with the stupid stuff - "granite" countertops, high end fixtures, brands they recognize - all the stuff that really doesn't matter but makes them THINK everything in the house is an upgrade. The other, much harder way, is to document and show them the stuff they can't see, and explain to them why it's worth a few extra dollars. If you go after experienced buyers, they'll appreciate that stuff. First time home buyers will go, "oh, that's nice. Ooh, look at that faucet!"

:p

Anywho, that CeasarStone stuff - that might just be the brand name up here in Canada where I live. It's compressed Quartz is all. I'm sure there's an equivalent in the US if it's not under the same brand name. You can literally make it look like anything, so you're only limited by imagination and budget. One other cool thing are finished concrete floors. Again, you can make it look like anything these days. And on the outside of the house, there's jewel stone, which is that polymer cement finish that, again, you can make look like absolutely anything. I love the man made stuff because, if it's done right, it's flawless, requires almost no upkeep and last forever! But again, there's a reason why this stuff is always made to LOOK like something else - something people are used to. It performs the way people imagine their house is going to perform (how many people actually do the recommended maintainence on ANYTHING in their house, right?), but it's much better materials that allow them to be lazy and ignorant.

I don't envy a home builder. People expect the moon, but they never want to pay extra for it. That said, builders OUGHT to make their houses at least up to code and preferably better than minimum code and use products that perform the way people WANT their house to perform. Builders should do that and charge what they need to to make it worth while. But I also see the problem for the builder, which is that it they do that, they'll be stuck with higher priced houses that only educated people buy - and Lord knows, there aren't very many of them!

So it's a tough balancing act for you, I'm afraid. You're basically building your brand - it doesn't sound like you're a giant company with 50 years of history or something :p The good news is that if you build high quality homes that are trouble free, made of high quality materials that last the way they're supposed to, and you make your buyers happy because of that, you'll reap the benefits a few years down the road when your customers speak highly of your product and remark about how they haven't had any of the problems that all of their friends had with their homes! But it's an investment on your part. People aren't going to know your quality and workmanship for a number of years.

So the best thing, I think, is to SHOW them what you've done and what you've put into your houses. Take a ton of pictures as you build. Shoot video, and use those videos to explain the products and workmanship that you're using. People do want a builder who cares and they do want a well-built house. But you have to hold their hand and educate them along the way, 'cause most of them don't know sh-- from shinola, and they'll only pay for what they can see while they assume that everything underneath is fine.

I do want to encourage you to go through with this though! I know it sounds like I'm giving you all the reasons to quit before you start :p But we NEED people like you to make better houses! People who care and make houses the way they ought to be made. There's a pay day in doing it right for sure! But you do need to expect that your pay day is a number of years down the road. It takes time for people to realize value. Especially when it isn't shiny and right on the surface for them to see!
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
Thank you. You and I think alike, and its nice to hear that my thoughts are not totally outlandish. No doubt, its going to be alot of hard work, but proper planning and budgeting will pay off big time!

A photolog of my progress is actually part of my strategy. Post regular updates on my own site for the property, and have a large sign placed out front with the URL. Not advertising a home for sale, but advertising the one, single, weirdo that decided to build a house himself, so see some pretty pictures of how its coming along. I would never mention price or even that it is for sale until I was atleast 80% complete. Hopefully that would build an audience, increase interest, and push the home value to its full potential.

Planning to visit Victoria BC next June, if you're anywhere near that, I'd love to buy ya a beer!
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
Cool thanks! Yeah seems like a solid product, and probably as green friendly as you can get. Great recommendation!

This is so going to be 2-3 years out, I've got so much planning to do.

Signing up with Habitat for Humanity in Feb to start refining my skills. My only availability is on weekdays. Means more time to spend with contractors, practically 1 on 1.

Shooting over to Lowe's this morning to look at their oak boards. Need to get this cabinet constructed ASAP, I've got a pile of Emotiva boxes with no place to go. Thankfully I knew this would happen so I didn't order the plasma yet!

Pics to come
 
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33Gerry45

Audiophyte
Great Concept

I would think that it is all in the options.

I would give two basic options in conjunction with a home theatre specialist to make it easy: standard high quality and audiophile for a greater price.

Strangely there would not necessarily be a vast difference in the cost of the bits and pieces. Those that want to go 'hi end' may well have, at least, brands in mind. Well they may wish to pay for it. The sky is the limit if they want seating with inbuilt sub-sonics, candy bar, curtains etc.

The biggest selling point is that most people only vaguely know that the room's reproduction capability is as important as a decent home theatre system.

From remodeling sound studios and presenting lots of live sound my basic fundamental is line of sight from each speaker to each ear will increase the size of the 'sweet spot' for sound. A second one is that if speakers are well to the rear and not aimed, or at least angled towards, at the audience then they may be muffled. Look up 'room' & treatment & acoustics & 'sound' and 'studios'. You may already be an expert in this but I find that I am always learning something more. This is a good one:

The Studio SOS Guide To Monitoring & Acoustic Treatment

This guy is a genius in this area Ethan Winer:
http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

Hard surfaces in abundance will mean a need to tweak much more to try to get a half decent sound.

I like to move speakers and sub around to squeeze that extra bit of quality and balance but many folks hate this. They want stuff hidden away in walls but that can cause potential resonance issues particularly with subs.

Isolating the sound from the bedrooms may be a biggie. I think that requires dense materials &/or double glazing type techniques.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
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This is so going to be 2-3 years out, I've got so much planning to do.

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Better to do a lot of planning than to remodel before you move in;):D
And, try to think of future likes to have and wire for them; Wire is cheap, remodeling is not.:rolleyes:
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
mtrycrafts, no this house is to be sold for profit!

Gerry, I am far from an expert, so thank you for the links. I've got a great base from which to begin, but fine tweaking will definitely be needed. Especially since this great room will be all hard wood and tile flooring. I would need to find a way to hide acoustical treatments so that there is any hope of WAF.

With the input I've received here, it seems my best solution is to prewire, and then at additional cost install all the equipment to their liking.

Thanks all!
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Yup, conduit in the walls is your friend! :D

If it's easy to pull new wires, then it's easy to install whatever the home owner wants! Things can change. There was a time not too long ago with HDMI didn't exist. If you've got conduit runs in the walls, it's easy to add, upgrade or change wiring. Without it, it can be a pain!

At the very least, since you can't possibly plan for EVERY conceivable future wire run, just build the house with decent attic and crawlspace/basement access. Being able to fish wires through the bays of the walls is so much easier if you can run everything up and over or down and under and have access to the bays of the walls from above or below. Otherwise, it's time to punch holes in the walls, which is always the bigger hassle ;)

Merry Christmas! :D
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Great rooms are in, no doubt about it. Great rooms are lousy places for AV and sound.

Good kitchens are a must. Fire places are a big selling point. I think gas is usually preferred unless wood is easily available.

Americans are nuts about bathrooms and want to devote a disproportionately large amount of space to them, which has never made sense to me. I design them compact and functional.

I suspect basements are unusual in your region, but a must in these parts.

Basements can be a good pace for HT, but with one risk, and that is flooding.

AV does require a dedicated space, otherwise it is a source of conflict. Not everyone who has legitimate need to be in the space wants the AV on, but they are forced to hear it.

What ever cabling you lay make sure it is in conduit and the conduit goes to the right places.

I personally hate whole house audio, and ceiling speakers. My best friend when he bought a luxury house six years pulled out the whole house audio on moving in and chucked it out. However I seem to be in the minority on this here, but I would never pay extra for whole house audio.

I would not pay extra for an installed AV system and it would be highly unlikely it would meet my needs or standards.

However have a space in a house that is suitable for AV would be a good selling point. We were thinking of moving to the Twin Cites from the lake a while back, but finding an existing home with a suitable space for AV is next to impossible.

I'm told that in the luxury home market an AV system is a selling point. I believe Toll brothers include them and some luxury builders in the Twin Cities include them. However our winters are long and cold, and this area is the most musical arts oriented region in the US. We just have an embarrassment of riches when it come to the musical arts up here, and so this creates above average interest in good sound, similar to the situation in the UK.

Since you are collecting ideas, I will share pictures of our home. The architect and interior designer was our daughter, so this can be considered a professional design. It has a great room, five bedrooms, three bathrooms, and AV/studio room and a very nice walk out basement space that is hard to classify, but very nice to have.

Great room





The gas fireplace



Basement wood fireplace



Entertainment center in basement



The AV room







Outside kitchen



Front of house.



Just one word of warning. The vast majority of house have be designed by builders and or owners and look like it. The only thing they are not short on are architectural howlers and design faults.

One disclaimer: - My daughter takes no responsibility for anything connected with audio or AV systems. Those items are down to me.
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
I cannot believe the amount and quality of the responses I'm getting here.

TLS, beautiful house, first off. I also appreciate your daughters choice in 8ft ceilings, plus the non gargantuan foyer that so many homes have. I love 10 ft ceilings, but they are anything but efficient and its nice to see what a large room (15' to the fridge and maybe 20' to the dining table?) looks like.

I want to build a great room slightly larger, but that is because it will be about the only place to entertain guests except for outdoor decking/patios.

My goal is simple. I aim for $250-$300k mark with 4 beds, 2.5 baths, attached 2 car garage, the great room and a semi finished attic. 2x6 exterior construction and liberal use of insulation.

I have seen Toll Brothers higher end homes in ATL with home theater type rooms. They were seriously lacking, and I was not overly impressed with their construction either given the asking price. But it was the trend out there to build these enormous homes with zero concern efficiency or truly sturdy construction in a tornado prone area (see building code minimums).

On the flip side I have a friend out there who's house was built by a carpenter in the 80's. 2x8 walls, and 2x12 ceiling and floor joists. You could knock out a wall and the roof would hold just fine. Way over built and more luxurious than I am looking to build right now, but a great comparison.

Whew... now I'm getting anxious.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Oh, housing prices...

Up here in Vancouver where I am, $250 - $300k is MAYBE an 800 square foot two bedroom apartment or townhouse, if you're lucky! Definitely not a detached home, no way!

In downtown Vancouver, we have these things called "micro lofts" now. They are literally 270 square feet and they rent for $850/month! Can you imagine? And they're smack dab in the middle of literally the worst neighborhood in Canada. The poorest homeless in all of Canada, and what was once tenement housing in derelict hotel and abandoned retail spaces is now $850/month rental space that's so small, you wouldn't legally be allowed to have a cat because of the cruelty to the animal.

I had to move 45 minutes out of the city so that I could pay $200k plus $300/month in strata fees for a 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom 900 square foot apartment :p And all of this is right after the housing "bubble" supposedly burst. For a good 5 years before I bought, all forms of housing in lower mainland BC were increasing by double digit percentages every year. The prices here are and were absolutely out of control. For about 2-3 years now, the prices have sort of stabilized, but they're starting to climb again.

So yeah, I guess we're happy that the recession didn't hit us nearly as hard up here. But that doesn't make things any more affordable! And you should see some of the crap that's being built. Heck, when it all sells no matter how bad it is, where's the incentive to do a good job, right?

$250,000 for a full-sized house... It's like pure fanatasy to me :p Add a little over a million to that and you'd have the sort of house you're describing up here :eek:
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Yeah, just for fun, I found the closest 4 bedroom house to Vancouver that was under $300,000. It's 45 minutes outside of Vancouver. The house condition is described as "unlivable/land value only". And it's right by the area where the sewage and garbage gets processed - so lovely neighborhood and smell.

Interested?

lol
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
HAHAHA Now that's funny!

With the price of land here in Southern CA, this size house would easily go for 7 figures on the 1/2 acre I intend to put it on. This is why I readily accept the idea of living in a utility trailer on site in AZ to get all the exterior finished. It'll keep costs waaay down and maximize my efficency. I can throw some steak on the fire while I pound a few nails. I'll just have to do it in summer so I can handle the cold showers :)

Given my current projected costs (subject to change) and the quality I intend to build with it would not be difficult for me to place a higher asking price on the house if the economy were better. But thats the beauty of it. I feel good about the work I've done. AND I've helped a hard working family get in to a home they can actually afford that is not going to cost them anything in the near future in upkeep. And I still pocket a pretty penny after taxes.

Of interest, my girlfriend absolutely loves Canada. I'll be taking her to Victoria for her B-day in June. She genuinely dreams of moving to BC someday so this is an interesting perspective on real estate up there.

Merry Christmas!
 

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