Help with my BW 600 series

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GregKeyesPe

Junior Audioholic
Hey Audioholics,
I want to get a power amp for my 5.1 system. I have the BW603/HTM6 center and BW 605 rears being powered by a Marantz 6014.
Would you recommend the Outlaw 7000x or Monolith 200x7. I most likely will get some BW in ceilings for the Dolby Atmos in the summer.
Let know what you would do

thanks
Greg
 
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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
Hey Audioholics,
I want to get a power amp for my 5.1 system. I have the BW603/HTM6 center and BW 605 rears being powered by a Marantz 6014.
Would you recommend the Outlaw 7000x or Monolith 200x7. I most likely will get some BW in ceilings for the Dolby Atmos in the summer.
Let know what you would do

thanks
Greg
Welcome to AH Greg.

The AVR runs 110wpc, and Outlaw is 130wpc so you're not going to see any performance improvement, but will be able to take the load off the AVR those 5 or 7 channels and use your 6014 to power the atmos when you reach that point.

The Monolith 200 wpc on the other hand has nearly double the power so you should get more headroom to handle dynamic peaks better....especially in a larger room or if you play it at loud volume a lot.

Tough call. If the money was a major issue I would save the money on the amp and get the Outlaw...Idk what B&W in ceilings you want, but again, if the funds were tight, I wouldn't spend the extra money to get B&W in ceiling either. No need to tonal match the main speakers and the atmos content is not such that you really need top tier speakers.

If the money was not a huge deal....I would remove all doubt and just get the Monolith amp. I still wouldn't spend the extra on in ceiling speakers.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I would use just the AVR by itself.

But if you just want to buy an amp like many of us, I would recommend amps that are 200WPC. So get the Monolith.
 
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GregKeyesPe

Junior Audioholic
Welcome to AH Greg.

The AVR runs 110wpc, and Outlaw is 130wpc so you're not going to see any performance improvement, but will be able to take the load off the AVR those 5 or 7 channels and use your 6014 to power the atmos when you reach that point.

The Monolith 200 wpc on the other hand has nearly double the power so you should get more headroom to handle dynamic peaks better....especially in a larger room or if you play it at loud volume a lot.

Tough call. If the money was a major issue I would save the money on the amp and get the Outlaw...Idk what B&W in ceilings you want, but again, if the funds were tight, I wouldn't spend the extra money to get B&W in ceiling either. No need to tonal match the main speakers and the atmos content is not such that you really need top tier speakers.

If the money was not a huge deal....I would remove all doubt and just get the Monolith amp. I still wouldn't spend the extra on in ceiling speakers.
Awesome Bro!
Yeah our main living room is pretty open think room size is 21x24 11ft ceilings.

Thanks for the feed back! What’s your opinion on bi amping the front?
I’m leaning towards the monolith 7 just for the extra power and use AVR channels for the 4 Dolby Atmos.
I also have the SVS SB2000 pro
 
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GregKeyesPe

Junior Audioholic
I would use just the AVR by itself.

But if you just want to buy an amp like many of us, I would recommend amps that are 200WPC. So get the Monolith.
Thanks bro! I would love to Rotel 200x5 but that’s like $3700. My wife would kill me
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Thanks bro! I would love to Rotel 200x5 but that’s like $3700. My wife would kill me
Well then why not the Outlaw M2200, you may still be able to get 3 for $799. Or the Monolith 200W X3? As others mentioned, the 7000 won't help a whole lot. Unless you sit very far from the surround speakers (the 605 I assume), the 6014 should be able to drive 2 to 4 of them easily.
 
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GregKeyesPe

Junior Audioholic
Awesome Bro!
Yeah our main living room is pretty open think room size is 21x24 11ft ceilings.

Thanks for the feed back! What’s your opinion on bi amping the front?
I’m leaning towards the monolith 7 just for the extra power and use AVR channels for the 4 Dolby Atmos.
I also have the SVS SB2000 pro
Well then why not the Outlaw M2200, you may still be able to get 3 for $799. Or the Monolith 200W X3? As others mentioned, the 7000 won't help a whole lot. Unless you sit very far from the surround speakers (the 605 I assume), the 6014 should be able to drive 2 to 4 of them easily.
hey man thanks for feedback! I sit about 12-13 ft back and the surrounds are mounted on the wall. I just figure I would have the power for the main 5 speakers with monolith.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
hey man thanks for feedback! I sit about 12-13 ft back and the surrounds are mounted on the wall. I just figure I would have the power for the main 5 speakers with monolith.
Got you, but B&W specs say "Recommended amplifier power 30W - 120W into 8Ω on unclipped programme" right?
So the 6014 is still a good match for them. Anyway, for amp power, more never hurts, or the better, if used wisely..
 
CajunLB

CajunLB

Senior Audioholic
Well then why not the Outlaw M2200, you may still be able to get 3 for $799. Or the Monolith 200W X3? As others mentioned, the 7000 won't help a whole lot. Unless you sit very far from the surround speakers (the 605 I assume), the 6014 should be able to drive 2 to 4 of them easily.
I like the idea of 3 Outlaw M2220 to power your front 3 channels and let the Marantz power the rest. You’re going to save money and have the extra power where you need it which is the front lcr. Win win. And don’t worry about bi-amping any of your speakers. There is no benefit in doing so.
 
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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
Awesome Bro!
Yeah our main living room is pretty open think room size is 21x24 11ft ceilings.

Thanks for the feed back! What’s your opinion on bi amping the front?
I’m leaning towards the monolith 7 just for the extra power and use AVR channels for the 4 Dolby Atmos.
I also have the SVS SB2000 pro
Good size space.

Monolith...I'm with you...the difference in money is something to consider, but I don't like the concept of just barely upgrading anyway...the Mono 7 represents a substantial power upgrade over the amp section of the 6014.

Biamping.. my experience with bi amping is somewhat limited. Mostly demoing high end speakers. One I remember distinctly, the B&W 803D3 were played bi-amped and single amped I could never really hear much of a difference.

As a result I can't encourage it.
 
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Movie2099

Audioholic General
Hey Audioholics,
I want to get a power amp for my 5.1 system. I have the BW603/HTM6 center and BW 605 rears being powered by a Marantz 6014.
Would you recommend the Outlaw 7000x or Monolith 200x7. I most likely will get some BW in ceilings for the Dolby Atmos in the summer.
Let know what you would do

thanks
Greg
I'd go with the Monolith. That 7 channel amp has so many great reviews. Even Gene gave it "Gotta have it!". I think it would be a worthy addition to your current setup.

Also, I"m a firm believer in sticking with same company for all of your speakers. B&W has some very nice ceiling speakers and would match nicely with your 603's.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
Awesome Bro!
Yeah our main living room is pretty open think room size is 21x24 11ft ceilings.

Thanks for the feed back! What’s your opinion on bi amping the front?
I’m leaning towards the monolith 7 just for the extra power and use AVR channels for the 4 Dolby Atmos.
I also have the SVS SB2000 pro
I have my fronts bi amped because I have the spare channels (Monolith 7, SR6011). I can't say there's really any difference, but it looks cool when you wanna show off a little.
 
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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
I'd go with the Monolith. That 7 channel amp has so many great reviews. Even Gene gave it "Gotta have it!". I think it would be a worthy addition to your current setup.

Also, I"m a firm believer in sticking with same company for all of your speakers. B&W has some very nice ceiling speakers and would match nicely with your 603's.
Certainly not a bad thing, but beyond the front 3 I ask why are you firm with this?
 
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Movie2099

Audioholic General
Certainly not a bad thing, but beyond the front 3 I ask why are you firm with this?
I think if you want everything to be equal you should have all like things. Especially with speakers. Since different companies use different materials. Using multiple different speakers with different materials could change the sound. I'm not saying with Atmos speakers that it would make a huge difference. But if you're going to spend the money on lets say B&W, you might as well just get the remaining speakers to finish the room. I have zero data or charts to back up my suggestion about using the same speakers throughout the build. Haha.

Everyone I've chatted with in stores has always said to "try" and use all the same speakers for a home theater build or music build.
 
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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
I think if you want everything to be equal you should have all like things. Especially with speakers. Since different companies use different materials. Using multiple different speakers with different materials could change the sound. I'm not saying with Atmos speakers that it would make a huge difference. But if you're going to spend the money on lets say B&W, you might as well just get the remaining speakers to finish the room. I have zero data or charts to back up my suggestion about using the same speakers throughout the build. Haha.

Everyone I've chatted with in stores has always said to "try" and use all the same speakers for a home theater build or music build.
Fair points, and keep in mind I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but that's not really grounds for a firm opinion on it. :)

I recently built a new system from the cables up, new room, the whole 9. I've dabbled in HT before, but for the most part I've been a 2ch music guy since the 70s. My wife is a movie buff. When I set out to build the new system I said this time I wasn't going to skimp on home theater. I shared the same thought as you on speaker branding.

As I stated, it's never a bad thing to do, but for movies, the side/rear/atmos channels don't have much of a need for tonal balance with the mains...even if a different brand might have a slightly different tone for the same sound effect, it's not discernable, a bullet whizzing by sounds very similar from speaker to speaker.

Multi-ch music I'm finding would be more of a reason to have surround speakers with similar drivers to the mains...some sound engineers send full range signal content to the rear speakers in 5.1 music.
 
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