LOA5000

LOA5000

Audioholic Intern
theJman

theJman

Audioholic Chief
Its a pritty big room with 3 couchs and a chair. Hard Floor no rug. I cant decide from these 3 sub woofers. What one has highter quality you think?
"pritty big" is pretty meaningless unfortunately, because no one knows what you consider big. In order to know if any of those subs will work you really need to supply accurate dimensions. As far as the subs you mentioned...

Those two 15" units are from Theater Solutions, which are junk. I did a review on the Sub12D, and was definitely not impressed. If you want/need a 15" sub a budget unit worth considering is the AA HD-SUB15.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
I know this isn't going to be what you want to hear, but in the interest of just trying to offer the best advice - and to maybe sway any folks who are just reading this thread - do not ever skimp on the subwoofer(s) in your system just to hit a budget. The subwoofer is what makes it FEEL like you are "at the movies" or listening to a live concert instead of just a recording. That part of the audio experience is so important.

I completely understand the desire to get a subwoofer right away, even when you can't really afford one that will properly handle your room size. The thinking goes something like, "better to have SOME kind of subwoofer than no subwoofer at all!" I would imagine. But in truth, that's not really the case. In the long run, you are better off just using your Front Left & Right speakers for the time being, saving up your money, and then purchasing a truly great subwoofer that will really perform the way you need and want in your given room size.

Spending $200 or so dollars now just puts you that much further behind and that much further away from being able to afford the $500 - $2000 subwoofer that you really need. And once you get that $500 - $2000 subwoofer, you're just going to wind up selling or junking that $200 unit, and wondering why you forced yourself to live with its less than satisfactory performance for several months, when you could have just been listening to decent sound from your Front Left & Right speakers, and been able to afford a really good subwoofer that much sooner!

There's no "magic" in subwoofers and bass reproduction, I'm afraid. Companies come along and make all kinds of claims about output, extension and quality for lower than expected prices, but the story always ends up the same - something's gotta give!

If you're in a smaller room, "pretty good" bass starts at around the $200 mark with the Energy S10.3

HSU's STF-2 at $320 is, IMO, a bit better, though somewhat tough to really call "$120 better" than the S10.3 since we're talking about the lowest price points possible for "good" bass.

The least expensive subwoofer that I consider capable of "doing it all" - by which I mean genuine extension down to 20Hz, with very capable output for rooms up to about 3000 cubic feet in air volume and very high bass quality - currently starts at about $550 with HSU's VTF-2 MK4

If you want to fill a room with a volume up to about 4000 cubic feet, step up to SVSound's PB12-NSD or PC12-NSD cylinder at $770 or $750, respectively (these prices include shipping. The previous Energy and HSU subs have shipping charges on top of the prices listed).

SVSound's NSD subs are the fist on this list that are truly "unbreakable", and the first to maintain very flat frequency response at all output levels, right down to 20Hz. With the DSP protected "Sledge" amplifier in SVSound's subs, you can literally turn the volume knob up as high is it will go with zero worries. SVSound's subs will simply play as loud as they possibly can, and then politely refuse to play any louder. They will never "bottom out", never go into high distortion, and never waver from their very accurate, flat frequency response.

Beyond that price point, you get into a whole range of excellent, very high output subwoofers at ever increasing price points. If you stick with HSU, Rythmik, or SVSound though, you really cannot go "wrong". HSU's VTF-15H is one of the least expensive subwoofers to offer extremely high output capabilities. Rythmik's FV15HP cannot be beat for sheer output under $1500. And SVSound's "Ultra" subwoofers are literally the best subwoofers I've heard to date.

And above the $2000 SVSound PB13-Ultra, there are subwoofers that can play even louder, though, in my personal opinion, they do not sound "better", though there are plenty of folks who might disagree with me ;) For my own money, I would prefer to get multiple SVSound PC13-Ultra cylinder subwoofers, which, at $1700 shipped, are the best deal in superb bass reproduction, IMO. But there ARE options to go even louder from a single subwoofer, including the likes of Seaton and JTR.

If you simply cannot stand the thought of no subwoofer at all, but you cannot afford a "proper" $550 subwoofer right away, personally, I think the best thing to do is to spend as little as possible for a VERY inexpensive subwoofer that still sound surprisingly good for its small size and minimal price. For that, keep an eye out over at accessories4less.com for the Onkyo SKW-204 for $90. They're sold out at the moment I'm writing this, but stock frequently fluctuates, and new units come into stock at A4L all the time - though they quickly sell out again as soon as they do!

So that's my subwoofer advice :) If you're gonna skimp, then REALLY skimp and spend less than $100 so that you'll be that much closer to being able to purchase a proper subwoofer! If you're in a small room, the Energy S10.3 or HSU STF-2 are fine. But in this case, the OP's said he's got a large room, and there's no sense trying to get a small, output limited subwoofer to drive itself into distortion or destruction just to stay on a tight budget. Save up until you have at least $550 for the HSU VTF-2 MK4. In a large room though, the truly unbreakable SVSound NSD subs would be a better choice. And beyond that, your choices really open up ;)

Again, I realize this is probably not what you wanted to hear. But it's the advice I would have liked to have been given if I were in your position, and it's what years and years of experience has taught me. Do NOT skimp on the subwoofer. It's SO worth it to get a good one. And so NOT worth it to get a cheap sub, just to say you have one.

You clearly spent a good chunk o' change to get yourself a huge, beautiful 80" TV! Don't cheap out on the audio side of things. People often do. I sort of understand it. But it doesn't take long at all before you realize that audio really is 50% of the movie or TV experience. And the subwoofer is a HUGE part of that 50%. So I hope you'll read this post in the spirit in which it's intended :) I get where you're coming from. I'm not knocking you for trying to stay on budget and still get something that will work for your room size. That's commendable and understandable. But if you want the best VALUE, if you want to know what us home theater nuts with lots of experienced have learned over the years from trial and error and far too much wasted money spent, and if you want the QUALITY and performance that you really DESERVE - I hope you'll be open to this advice, and I hope you'll be willing to endure and engage in a little delayed gratification so that you can spend the least money necessary in order to get the quality of product that you really need, want, and deserve :)
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
I have to agree with everything FirstReflection said. If you just sprang for an 80" TV, I'm not sure why you'd be looking to short change the audio side of the experience so badly.
 
pbc

pbc

Audioholic
I have to agree with everything FirstReflection said. If you just sprang for an 80" TV, I'm not sure why you'd be looking to short change the audio side of the experience so badly.
My neighbour just bought the 70" Sharp after finishing his basement. What did he get for audio? Some Onkyo HTiB. For a room that must be 12x24 or something like that, and open to the rest of the basement. I remember when he told me he wanted to do an HT downstairs I told him he should set aside at minimum $1k for a 5.1 system (which in my opinion is still light), he had no interest.

It's odd how some people spend money on this kind of stuff at times. Drives me nuts, but some people care more about getting a big screen video experience than their audio.
 
k0rww

k0rww

Audioholic Intern
I agree with FirstReflection. A sub or subs make movies come alive. Once you buy your first sub you will be hooked, there will be no end to sub upgrades. :)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
So, how does it sound?

My neighbour just bought the 70" Sharp after finishing his basement. What did he get for audio? Some Onkyo HTiB. For a room that must be 12x24 or something like that, and open to the rest of the basement. I remember when he told me he wanted to do an HT downstairs I told him he should set aside at minimum $1k for a 5.1 system (which in my opinion is still light), he had no interest.

It's odd how some people spend money on this kind of stuff at times. Drives me nuts, but some people care more about getting a big screen video experience than their audio.
Is he satisfied with it?

A lot of people have lower expectations for their sound systems than us audio nutz and are quite happy with stuff we find unacceptable.
 
pbc

pbc

Audioholic
Is he satisfied with it?

A lot of people have lower expectations for their sound systems than us audio nutz and are quite happy with stuff we find unacceptable.
Yeah, he likes it. That's all that matters!
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I can't speak for the OP, but I can say why I'd get a cheaper sub after plunking down a few thousand for a TV...my financial sphincter would be slammed shut. :eek: :p I started with the audio side first in my system, which is why I was still gazing at my 27" CRT as I hooked up my PC13-Ultra. :D
 
Zer0K3wL

Zer0K3wL

Junior Audioholic
If i where you i would't save money on subwoofer and get something made off quality.
Listing a few subs ain't gonna do either, Lets start by what your budget is, And if its for music or movies or little bit off both.
 
LOA5000

LOA5000

Audioholic Intern
Oh boy. I dident read your posts. I ended up going with the
BIC v1220. We have 2 other smaller subs already we could have used. 10inch
Down firing onkyo and a side firing 8 inch. I also just orderd the Sony f6000 tower
Speakers 1 pair for 196. I already have Sony book shelf speakers and 2 Sony center speakers. I just hope that this will make a good sound system. Should I use 2 subs at once?

Also should I have both center speaker up front or 1 up front and one in the rear between 2 couches that are up against the wall about 15ft away from TV.
 
LOA5000

LOA5000

Audioholic Intern
To see if those eBay ones we any good. You guys think the Sony set up will be decent?
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Given the care you've put into selecting the components, I'm not sure how you could go wrong.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I dident read your posts.
To see if those eBay ones we any good. You guys think the Sony set up will be decent?
You didn't came here for advice, like many others like you came here to confirm your own (wrong) choices and have a pat on the back...

Sorry, You are getting neither from me - all your audio choices are terrible and will sound good only if compared to your TV speakers

Mixing different subs is even worse idea
 
LOA5000

LOA5000

Audioholic Intern
I got everything from amazon anything can be shipped back within 30 days. I am not to much on a budget my brother is buying TV and I wanted to take care of the audio side of things.
 
LOA5000

LOA5000

Audioholic Intern
I could see putting up to a grand in the audio and maybe wait on the sub. My brother likes Sony and I thought that the 2 towers with his 6 book shelf speakers and 2 center speakers all Sony he got them back in 06.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Couple questions:

How big of a room is this setup going into? Actual dimensions would help here, ie 15'x20'x8'.

Do you already have a receiver to power this setup with? If so, what is it?

What kind of volume levels are you looking for out of this system?

Just a home theater setup I assume?
 
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