Help on next upgrades!

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I think so. There is more surface area, and you double the motors. The JBL drivers are pretty powerful, and the tweeter is a genuine compression driver. That center should hit pretty hard. Just make sure you are sitting near the on-axis angle, since it is bound to have a fairly narrow dispersion pattern.
Because horns typically have narrower dispersion than domes?
 
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Golfx

Senior Audioholic
This is my current system:
Avr - denon x1400h
Front/center - definitive technology sm55
Surrounds - definitive technology sr-9040
Top middle-definitive technology pro monitor 1000
Subwoofer - HSU VTF3-MK5

I have been trying to play at reference volume but it sounds harsh especially dialog. I haven’t upgraded in a while so I thought I would go big. Was thinking of spending around $3000.

Got all these recommendations from chat-gpt and just want to make sure they sound good or if there is a better option.

avr - denon x3800h
Amp - Emotive basx a3 three channel amp
Center channel - kef q6 meta center channel
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/chatgpt://product-detail?product-number=3
Harsh sounding = “overly bright” sounding speakers quickly lead to listening fatigue. Those pro monitor 1000s in particular. I had those on my first set.

I would switch to more neutral speakers that would measure well.

Try these suggestions.

https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/chatgpt://product-detail?product-number=3
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Pay attention to the ones “labeled” reviews and you can cut to the conclusion portion for James’ recommendations and insights.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Would you say I should go with a new receiver? Would that give a noticeable difference?
First you need new speakers. The ones you have are way up my list of absolute avoidance. I bet if you get better speakers, your receiver will be fine for now.
 
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head_unit

Junior Audioholic
definitive technology sm55...sounds harsh especially dialog.


Amp - Emotive basx a3 three channel amp
Some things to try first before replacing stuff:
- Post PICTURES of the room/setup so we can see how much room there is (to @lovinthehd says) , and how your center channel is mounted/aimed.
- Measure your loudest SPLs at the listening position. At least with a phone app that can do unweighted (not "A" or "C"). And how far is that, as @William Lemmerhirt asked? This is to determine if you are even close to clipping.
- Swap your SM55s around, to be sure there is not simply a problem with the center one.
- Do you really mean HARSH as in distorted? Or UNCLEAR and hard to understand? Those are two quite different things.

Then
- Since human hearing is logarithmic all AVRs have essentially the same power. 60% more power is only one small volume step. To have significantly more power means like >300W/4Ω which as @lovinthehd pointed out the Emotiva BasX do NOT make the grade. You'd need like https://www.buckeyeamp.com in 3 channels, or a 4 channel with one channel unused which is OK also.
- You would also need preamp outputs which then means yes changing the AVR. Now with amp and AVR you have spent most of your budget.
- As a loudspeaker engineer my vague rule of thumb is you have to spend 3X to be pretty sure to get to the "next plateau" of sound quality instead of just trading off inaccuracies. You will not have enough budget left to do that. And Definitive are good designers,* you'll really need to step up.
https://www.stereophile.com/content/definitive-technology-studiomonitor-55-loudspeaker-measurements
shows they are fairly sensitive although not the MOST sensitive. Rather than more power more sensitive speakers would be the way to go HOWEVER:
- Speaker specifications are worthless nonsense, you cannot compare across brands due to different measuring setups and different levels of lying by the Marketing Department. The "watts" are also ridiculous; speaker power handling is flat out too complex to distill down to one number. Sorry!
- Sensitivity is how loud per watt the speaker plays. This is limited by the woofer size pretty much: the bigger the woofer the more sensitive it *could* be. Just because something has a horn does NOT make it sensitive. Klipsch with 2x10" woofers in a big cabinet? The spec may be ridiculous but yes still significantly more sensitive than regular speakers. Klipsch 5" with a little horn? Not gonna be special in the sensitivity department.

Therefore we need the answer to the question of how big a speakers you can fit into the space, to recommend something more sensitive and with hopefully less distortion.

*Measurements show some funkiness around the crossover point. This is inevitable in a 2-way dome tweeter design, so 3-way may be better for you. Alternatively horns/waveguides roughly as big as the woofers can get rid of some of those problems.
 
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