HDMI 1080p upconversion receiver for $300??

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arevee

Junior Audioholic
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jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
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In the $300 price range, set your sites on a quality receiver without HDMI like the Yamaha RX-V659 and connect your HDMI sources directly to the display. Only the newest >$1k receivers include video upscaling to 1080p.

Even if you have one of these high end receivers, it wont make low res SD signals look good. Save $220 and buy an HD-DVD player and use an OTA antenna to pick up the local stations in HD.
 
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arevee

Junior Audioholic
I've heard that the TX-SR605 does upconversion? Is that not true? I see those on sale for $400...

Also, a HArmon kardon AVR-247...?
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
I've heard that the TX-SR605 does upconversion? Is that not true? I see those on sale for $400...

Also, a HArmon kardon AVR-247...?
First off upscaling is when you take for example a 480p image and make it 1080p. Upconversion is when you take a s-video signal and output it via HDMI. You are looking for 1080p upscaling not upconversion.

Secondly, the Onkyo 605 does not upscale to 1080p.

jcPanny is giving you great advice that I would follow.
 
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arevee

Junior Audioholic
Thanks guys!

I now understand the deal... upSCALING is different from upCONVERSION.

I have a media PC which I use for watching DVDs on my big screen with. I thought I could "out" the component video from there to my AVR and from there to my TV via HDMI...I guess that would require both an upscaler (for 480p to 720p) and an upconverter (component to HDMI)...are the ones that do both that sell for $1000 or more?? looks like it...

I guess i should have held on to my 602...I sold it to upgrade to one with HDMI without doing a thorough research :(

This is what threw me off from HK AVR-247 page:

"The AVR 247-Z is our most affordable receiver that allows you to upscale incoming analog video signals to high-resolution 720p output or select two HDMI™ inputs for audio processing, all with a Simplay HD™-verified, single-wire connection to an HDMI-equipped display."
 
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autoboy

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Can you be more specific about what you are trying to do? What components do you have? DVD player, HD DVD player, VCR, HTPC, etc? This will help us understand what sources you have, what resolutions they are, and why you want to upscale/upconvert.

Also, and probably the most important question, is why you feel you need upconversion. Typically upconversion is required when you have the capability to run only one cable to your TV. (or you have run out of connections on the TV and need the AVR to switch the inputs) This happens when you have a nice flat panel TV that is actually mounted on the wall, and you can only run a single cable to the TV. With upconversion, you can plug any source, analog or digital, and the AVR will convert the analog to digital, and scale the image to fit your output resolution, then it sends this signal over HDMI with the digital audio signal to the TV. As an example, you can plug in your video ipod to the AVR in your cabinet, and the AVR will convert that analog signal into a HDMI signal, and you can view your videos and photos on your flat panel hung on the wall without having to plug anything into it. Typically, the analog to digital conversion and upscaling are not as good as what your TV can do on its own had you plugged in the sources directly to the inputs on your TV. This is especially true for the budget receivers. Some high end receivers have high end conversion and scaling better than any TV but these are $1500 and up. So, the best way to get the best picture from various sources is to use the TV inputs for all video connections.

So, having said all this, from what I can tell about your setup, you have a HTPC that plays nearly all your media. I don't see any reason why you would need upconversion unless you have run out of inputs because you have every game console known to man. From what I can tell, you are using the analog Component from your HTPC and you want to convert it to HDMI. Why not just get a DVI to HDMI cable and run HDMI from your HTPC directly to your TV? DVI and HDMI are the same signals, except DVI does not carry audio. There is really nothing wrong with Component Video, and just converting it to HDMI after it is already component will actually hurt your picture quality, not help it. Component is perfectly capable of running high resolution at very high quality, and HDMI is barely a step up if at all. If there is anything i am missing just let me know.

I am also really confused about this comment: "I have a media PC which I use for watching DVDs on my big screen with. I thought I could "out" the component video from there to my AVR and from there to my TV via HDMI...I guess that would require both an upscaler (for 480p to 720p) and an upconverter (component to HDMI)" You are correct that if you output 480p analog you will need upscaling to 720p analog, and conversion to 720p digital, but why are you running your HTPC at 480p resolution? What kind of TV are you using? What is the native resolution of that TV? You should set your HTPC to the exact resolution of the TV. If it is a 720p TV, set the HTPC to 1280x720, if it is a 1080p TV ( am assuming this is the case because you want a AVR that can do 1080p upconversion), set the HTPC to 1920x1080. The HTPC can do very good DVD scaling, depending on the setup of your HTPC.
 
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freelancer

Audiophyte
Could he simply output from the media PC via DVI-to-DVI onto the TV? I know my TV has both HDMI and DVI connectors. Just wondering :)
 
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dartmeister

Audiophyte
Check out Onkyo 800 ser. has good reveiws and refubish avalible.
dartmeister
 
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dartmeister

Audiophyte
onkyo

check out onkyo web site go to buy the 800 refub is about 400.00
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
Upconversion is when you take a s-video signal and output it via HDMI.
Or transcoding, if you're really nerdy. :p
Can you be more specific about what you are trying to do? What components do you have? DVD player, HD DVD player, VCR, HTPC, etc? This will help us understand what sources you have, what resolutions they are, and why you want to upscale/upconvert.
I agree, and would like to add* that having two devices doing the scaling can potently decrease image quality, as well as upscaling a source to a resolution higher than the display is natively; i.e. 480i from a DVD being sent out as 1080p to the display, where it rescales to its native resolution of 720p.





*unless Autoboy has said it already and I missed it, which I have been happening to do of late.
 
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arevee

Junior Audioholic
Guys,

Thanks for the expansive replies.

I have a 720p HDTV now (Hitachi LCD RPTV 55VF820) but I expect to keep my receiver around for longer and so I wanted to get a 1080p one.

I have a HP z558 media PC which has DVI out but my TV has only HDMI inputs. I am currently running it thru' component cables but from the explanations above, it looks like that does not matter...except I am unable to go to 1280x720...instead its just one level resolution lower...

My exact configuration is:

1. Hitachi RPTV LCD with 2 HDMI ins...
2. HP media Center Z558 with DVI out
3. Samsung 1080i upscaling DVD player with DVI out
4. Comcast DVR with DVI out...
5. Polk Audio RM6900 5.1 speaker system.

I found a great deal on a HK AVR-247 (brand-new in box sealed)....would that serve my purpose? It seems to do 720p "upscaling" but I guess it would do 1080p pass-thru' if I got a BR/HD-DVD player?

THANKS ONCE AGAIN GUYS! U have been a great help thus far!!:)
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
In the $300 price range, set your sites on a quality receiver without HDMI like the Yamaha RX-V659 and connect your HDMI sources directly to the display. Only the newest >$1k receivers include video upscaling to 1080p.

Even if you have one of these high end receivers, it wont make low res SD signals look good. Save $220 and buy an HD-DVD player and use an OTA antenna to pick up the local stations in HD.
What are your thoughts on the Harmon Kardon 247 or 347? I am looking at refurb on Ebay and should be able to get the 347 for about $350.

Thanks!

Eddie
 

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