Have I turned my floor standers into bookshelf speakers?

[jarrett baines]

Crossover setting won't change volume. Check your speaker level (I believe this was the name of the setting) settings for level differences, this effects in volume of invidual speakers.

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http://us.marantz.com/DocumentMaster/US/SR6010U_ENG_PDF_UG_v00.pdf on page 228

Leaving the rears at 120HZ does not mean you have addressed volume level for those speakers. I suspect you have the volume of the rears set at a very high level, too high perhaps. Either you accidently set the rears at a high level or it was set that way as received. As I said earlier, just activate your amp's test tone. If the test tone from the rears sound louder than front speakers turn the volume down on the rears. You may have individual rear, and center volume controls on your amp's remote control which should make this adjustment easy. If you can not figure out how to set volume for rear speakers, set the Marantz to original default condition. Either way, I think your popping and static sound you describe will go away.

Thanks so much. The guys at the store reset it to factory and have been playing it yesterday and still today until 1pm when I go get it. But no sound so far. But with that reset all levels are back to normal so your probably right about high levels being the problem. But I'm having quite the argument about those crossovers and setting them as small speakers. He's said that I have effectively turned my towers into sattelites. Not just bookshelves. I was a little angry with that so I told him to look up bass management under Audioholics. And tried several times to get him to understand that it was about sending under 80Hz to my sub. And he wanted to know why I would downgrade my expensive towers so much.
So now I. Even more confused. But I'm going with the audioholics bass management suggestion. And am on my own as far as those guys go. Problem is I'll need them in the future for any warranty so I can't completely call him out. But it's two of those guys against me. Shitty.
So thanks for the amount of knowledge you've been giving me.

 

[tyhjaarpa]

Thanks so much. The guys at the store reset it to factory and have been playing it yesterday and still today until 1pm when I go get it. But no sound so far. But with that reset all levels are back to normal so your probably right about high levels being the problem. But I'm having quite the argument about those crossovers and setting them as small speakers. He's said that I have effectively turned my towers into sattelites. Not just bookshelves. I was a little angry with that so I told him to look up bass management under Audioholics. And tried several times to get him to understand that it was about sending under 80Hz to my sub. And he wanted to know why I would downgrade my expensive towers so much.
So now I. Even more confused. But I'm going with the audioholics bass management suggestion. And am on my own as far as those guys go. Problem is I'll need them in the future for any warranty so I can't completely call him out. But it's two of those guys against me. Shitty.
So thanks for the amount of knowledge you've been giving me.

Apparently those guys at shop are quite clueless how speaker size / crossover works in receivers. Your towers are towers even tho you set them as small, set your crossover at 80Hz and you are fine. Setting crossover higher would cause loss in sound and make your playback odd. You are not downgrading your speakers, you are just taking off unnecessary load from your receiver as your sub will be doing the low end work. Your tower speakers have better dynamics than bookshelf/satellite speakers even when set to small in receiver.

 

[sterling shoote]

I have my front speakers set for small and the crossover at 60Hz. The rears are set for small with crossover at 80Hz. This arrangement seems to give me the most pleasing sound for movies as well as most music. I like to experiment however so I'm not locked into these settings. I don't like rules and quite frankly I don't believe anyone here can say for sure what settings would please you the most.
After all, it's all about a pleasurable distraction so I hope you get it all worked out to get the pleasure from it you are seeking. One more thing, the guys at the shop where you bought your receiver may actually know what they are talking about, then again they may not know that they don't know. On their side of things I'm sure they think most of the internet advice you are getting is from folks who don't know that they don't know. My advice, until you come to know, seek advice from those with some sort of credentials or certifications in the arenas where you are unknowledgeable. Good luck, I have empathy for you, it's disheartening having frustration over something that should provide a really fun experience.

 

[jarrett baines]

Hey man. Sorry WHT shod I call you?
Anyways I picked up my receiver and I showed him the Audyssey article called large vs. Small ( I think), it tells a person straight out that if you have a sub your speakers are small... he still didn't seem to believe it. He told me to run Audyssey and leave the settings. So I don't think he's going to be too willing to help me in the future if I show up with a similar problem.
Oh well I guess I'll be doing my own warranty stuff from now on. Just great. I spent a ton of cash and sorry for complaining but this is BS.
U do appreciate everyone's help on this great site.

 

[sterling shoote]

This is just a sidebar:

With my system if I were to set my speakers to large, then I could get low frequency from mains without powering the sub and without perceived loss of low frequency on most music.

Yes, the mains would indeed be working harder but I would have greater convenience, saving the sub amplification for when I am watching action movies or listening to a long playlist of dance music.

The point of me mentioning this is you may have multiple listening scenarios, each requiring an adjustment of your components for either a rich experience or convenience; that's to say, you may not want not want to have a rigid receiver crossover set-up. Experiment.

 

[tyhjaarpa]

Hey man. Sorry WHT shod I call you?
Anyways I picked up my receiver and I showed him the Audyssey article called large vs. Small ( I think), it tells a person straight out that if you have a sub your speakers are small... he still didn't seem to believe it. He told me to run Audyssey and leave the settings. So I don't think he's going to be too willing to help me in the future if I show up with a similar problem.
Oh well I guess I'll be doing my own warranty stuff from now on. Just great. I spent a ton of cash and sorry for complaining but this is BS.
U do appreciate everyone's help on this great site.

I feel your pain. It would be easier to deal with local shop but if they are not willing to help then you are out of luck with them. Next time you know not to buy from them..

 

[herbu]

jarrett,
Where in the room is your sub located? In back, near your rear speakers?

This probably doesn't apply to you, but something to file away in back of your mind. I had a somewhat similar experience. Started hearing popping from what I thought was my front speaker. Only happened during real loud bing/bang/boom movies.

Messed w/ crossovers and volumes. No help. Finally figured out it was the sub. Fortunately, my sub has a limiter switch. Called the company and they said turn it on. Bingo! Problem solved.

 

[KenM10759]

FWIW, I have seen Audyssey set the levels for rear speaker far too high when I helped a relative solve a similar problem. Determined to find out why, I asked him to show me exactly how he had done the calibration, step by step.

We went through the front three, and when we got to the rears the cause became clear to me. He was holding the microphone in hand, and it was in front of his body as he sat in the MLP. I suggested he start over, but this time make sure the microphone is held at ear level for each reading, with nothing around it. Essentially, hold it up and get your head out of the way.

All better. Only a couple of minor tweaks to levels after calibration to fine tune it and it's great.