Happy Fathers day Illegal Aliens!

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Buckeye_Nut

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Awwwwwwwwww....

I feel warm and fuzzy all over after reading this tribute piece about four hard-working, tax-paying, family-loving illegal aliens. New York Times reporter Eduardo Porter wrote a special frontpage Father's Day story on why illegal immigrants are just like the rest of us.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060619/ZNYT01/606190374/1001/BUSINESS

Ya gotta love the LEFT & their PRO-Illegal alien crusade. I guess they need to convert as many as possible to legal residents, so that they may eventually become voters which will in turn add to their voting base & end their long streak of being evicted from power in the big national elections.
 
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Sheep

Sheep

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OK, wasn't MacMan banned for less then this? I mean, c'mon.

SheepStar
 
I'm sorry - except for the sarcasm towards liberals which I won't comment on, is something factually incorrect in this last post? He's not insulting any of our members...
 
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Buckeye_Nut

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Clint DeBoer said:
I'm sorry - except for the sarcasm towards liberals which I won't comment on, is something factually incorrect in this last post? He's not insulting any of our members...
Clint,
I softened my comment just a tad for the sensitive types. And yes... I happen to think the current pro-ILLEGAL ALIEN crusade is outragous. It's everywhere in the media, and it cant be avoided no matter where you look.
 
gmichael

gmichael

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There was an article in our local paper the other day. It seems that the illegal aliens in our area have it very hard. They were complaining about how hard it is to go out in public knowing that they could be picked up by the police at any time. It's just too in cruel for anyone to have to live in this kind of fear. And they had their pictures on the front page. The article was titled, "Immigrants live in fear." So sorry, my wife is an immigrant. She doesn't live in fear at all. Know why? We followed the rules. It's only the illegal immigrants that live in fear. Anyone breaking the law should live in fear. Am I missing something?
I've got to remember to change my subscription.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

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gmichael said:
There was an article in our local paper the other day. It seems that the illegal aliens in our area have it very hard. They were complaining about how hard it is to go out in public knowing that they could be picked up by the police at any time. It's just too in cruel for anyone to have to live in this kind of fear. And they had their pictures on the front page. The article was titled, "Immigrants live in fear." So sorry, my wife is an immigrant. She doesn't live in fear at all. Know why? We followed the rules. It's only the illegal immigrants that live in fear. Anyone breaking the law should live in fear. Am I missing something?
I've got to remember to change my subscription.
LOL... I saw that too, but on the web. I also love how the media steers away from using the words "ILLEGAL ALIENS" whenever possible. They always try to sugar coat them by describing them as 'undocumented workers', or even worse..... by simply labeling them as immigrants.
 
Sheep

Sheep

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Clint DeBoer said:
I'm sorry - except for the sarcasm towards liberals which I won't comment on, is something factually incorrect in this last post? He's not insulting any of our members...
Hes insulting a group of people, just like MacMan went after scientologists.

SheepStar
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I don't know where I stand on this subject but in Canada we give them low cost housing and a cheque each month.We call them refugee's.
 
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Craig234

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Immigrants

It's easy to be arrogant - power tends to corrupt and all that.

The idea of looking at it from their point of view - well, you see that discussed in the bible, but few Americans who I see do it.

Oh, sure, if I twist your arm you'll say how you don't hate them, and have some pity, but that's the extent before you go back to the corrupt arrogance.

This is what's meant by a sense of justice and morality. The ability to see them as human beings, to take the blinders off long enough to understand why we have things so much better - it's not all a Hallmark card about how we deserve it and they don't.

Look, it's too late to fix today, but our arrogance can be a little bit curtailed by the history that we committed an unjust war to steal half of Mexico's land - you know, the type we say Hitler and Hirohito were wrong for, but which we apply a different set of rules for ourselves on.

It's not just my opinion - ask Abraham Lincoln who was a leading speaker against the war in Congress at the time, whose young republican party said the war was wrong; ask President Grant who served in the war and later called it "one of the most unjust ever waged on a weaker country by a stronger."

We have the right to protect our border, and to determine immigration policies, but we should consider moral issues in doing so.

What would help is for us to look at how we can sensibly help the Mexican economy somewhat, so they don't have such compelling interests to come here - something most of the illegal immigrant critics would do themselves in the same situation.

Oh, that's just big government crazy idealism talking. Ya? We had the Marshall plan to rebuild the German economy (and others) after they had fought us under Hitler, and now benefit from trade - do we have less of an obligation to our next-door neighbor, who could be a better market for us?

Consider the action General Smedley Butler was talking about when he said the following - are you aware of the history of this type of thing with the US and Mexico?

"I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914."
 
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Craig234 said:
It's easy to be arrogant - power tends to corrupt and all that.

The idea of looking at it from their point of view - well, you see that discussed in the bible, but few Americans who I see do it.

Oh, sure, if I twist your arm you'll say how you don't hate them, and have some pity, but that's the extent before you go back to the corrupt arrogance.

This is what's meant by a sense of justice and morality. The ability to see them as human beings, to take the blinders off long enough to understand why we have things so much better - it's not all a Hallmark card about how we deserve it and they don't.

Look, it's too late to fix today, but our arrogance can be a little bit curtailed by the history that we committed an unjust war to steal half of Mexico's land - you know, the type we say Hitler and Hirohito were wrong for, but which we apply a different set of rules for ourselves on.

It's not just my opinion - ask Abraham Lincoln who was a leading speaker against the war in Congress at the time, whose young republican party said the war was wrong; ask President Grant who served in the war and later called it "one of the most unjust ever waged on a weaker country by a stronger."

We have the right to protect our border, and to determine immigration policies, but we should consider moral issues in doing so.

What would help is for us to look at how we can sensibly help the Mexican economy somewhat, so they don't have such compelling interests to come here - something most of the illegal immigrant critics would do themselves in the same situation.

Oh, that's just big government crazy idealism talking. Ya? We had the Marshall plan to rebuild the German economy (and others) after they had fought us under Hitler, and now benefit from trade - do we have less of an obligation to our next-door neighbor, who could be a better market for us?

I'll close with a quote from the man who at the time he wrote this in the 30's was the highest decorated marine in US history.

It gives a little fact to those who are unaware of any other factors than the US earning its advantage entirely fair and square, and a little info on war.
I have no problem with Immgrants. I married one. I don't even hate illegal immagrants. Just wish they'd fill out the paperwork to do it right. We did. Why should they go to the head of the line just because they snuck in instead of filling out the paperwork. And I don't like how they protest against the very country that is good enough to sneak into, but not good enough to stand up for. Now that's what I call arrogant.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

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Craig234: What would help is for us to look at how we can sensibly help the Mexican economy somewhat, so they don't have such compelling interests to come here - something most of the illegal immigrant critics would do themselves in the same situation.
We could send manufacturing jobs down there, and maximize shareholder profits. ;)

We had the Marshall plan to rebuild the German economy (and others) after they had fought us under Hitler, and now benefit from trade - do we have less of an obligation to our next-door neighbor, who could be a better market for us?
Maybe we could find a reason to go to war, bomb the daylights out of them, then rebuild their country and move the headquarters of Ford, Chrysler and GM to Mexico City. :rolleyes:

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markw

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"We call them refugee's" - No, you would be faced with a full scale invasion.

billy p said:
I don't know where I stand on this subject but in Canada we give them low cost housing and a cheque each month.We call them refugee's.
We're talking about 12 million people here. In case that number means nothing to you, consider this: that's more than one third of your entire countries population of 36 million. You would swell from just shy of 36 million to 48 million overnight.

Considering your entire countries popupation is somewhat shy of 36 million, these 12 million "refugees" we're dealing with would have you on your knees faster than you could sing two verses of "Oh Canada".

Oh, you may want to look up the meaning of the word "refugee". It doesn't mean what you think it does.
 
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markw said:
We're talking about 12 million people here. In case that number means nothing to you, consider this: that's more than one third of your entire countries population of 36 million. You would swell from just shy of 36 million to 48 million overnight.

Considering your entire countries popupation is somewhat shy of 36 million, these 12 million "refugees" we're dealing with would have you on your knees faster than you could sing two verses of "Oh Canada".

Oh, you may want to look up the meaning of the word "refugee". It doesn't mean what you think it does.
Not to offend anyone but it was a tongue and cheek jab at BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS AS AT TIMES I CAN BE!! THE REFUGEE TERM WAS USED TO UNDERLINE THE WAY CANADIANS WOULD LOOK AT THE SITUATION IF HAPPENING HERE?
 
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markw

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Well then, I apologize.

billy p said:
Not to offend anyone but it was a tongue and cheek jab at BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS AS AT TIMES I CAN BE!! THE REFUGEE TERM WAS USED TO UNDERLINE THE WAY CANADIANS WOULD LOOK AT THE SITUATION IF HAPPENING HERE?
But, it sure didn't look like a tongue in cheek post to me. ergo, my response.
 
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billy p said:
I don't know where I stand on this subject but in Canada we give them low cost housing and a cheque each month.We call them refugee's.
BWahahahahahahahah!!!

That's hilarious!!

Good one:eek:
 
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Buckeye_Nut

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billy p said:
Not to offend anyone but it was a tongue and cheek jab at BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS AS AT TIMES I CAN BE!! THE REFUGEE TERM WAS USED TO UNDERLINE THE WAY CANADIANS WOULD LOOK AT THE SITUATION IF HAPPENING HERE?
LOL.... I knew exactly what you meant, and how you meant it:cool:
 
JoeE SP9

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I am one of those left wing liberals. I want every illegal alien deported immediately. I am for any kind of social program that benefits American citizens. It is completely disgusting the way the press seems to have a soft heart for illegals. It's not our fault the Mexican government is corrupt. Instead of coming here and trying to change our laws they should stay home and change their own government and country.:cool:
 
Sheep

Sheep

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Buckeye_Nut said:
Please explain??
Illegal imigrants from mexico, Mexicans. They're coming to the United States of America to try and find a better life, and you're denying them everything.

Try putting yourself in their spot. How would you feel if you couldn't get into the US? We in North America have it easy compared to the rest of the world. Gas is cheap(er), Abundance of resources, space, and muscle cars! :)

Why would you want to deny someone else that pleasure? Obviously you want them to pay taxes like the rest, but getting a green card is easier said then done.

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markw said:
We're talking about 12 million people here. In case that number means nothing to you, consider this: that's more than one third of your entire countries population of 36 million. You would swell from just shy of 36 million to 48 million overnight.

Considering your entire countries popupation is somewhat shy of 36 million, these 12 million "refugees" we're dealing with would have you on your knees faster than you could sing two verses of "Oh Canada".

Oh, you may want to look up the meaning of the word "refugee". It doesn't mean what you think it does.
You forget that Canada is ALOT bigger then the US. We'll just send them up north. :rolleyes: :D

SheepStar
 
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