Green Mountain Audio Europas

[GO-NAD!]

The relevance is so that we can gauge your comments based on what you have.
Sometimes people voice strong opinions because of envy that they cannot afford expensive high end hi fi equipment.

Do you realize that those statements ooze pomposity?

Believing that you can gauge a person's comments based on what audio equipment they have, is equivalent to saying you can gauge a person's knowledge of cars, based on what they drive. So, a lawyer driving a Mercedes automatically knows more about cars than a mechanic who drives a Honda Civic? Can you now see how ridiculous your statement is?

 

[GranteedEV]

Trust me, I`m one of the most envious people here.



For stuff that`s actually designed to reproduce a signal properly as it were recorded, not stuff designed to impress silly rich audiophiles. You don`t see me making fun of Krell SS amplifiers, as ridiculously overpriced as they are, or the Salk Soundscape, as funky looking as it ended up being, or GIK Acoustics, for making room treatments pretty, or Harman, investing in research to further improve Revels and JBLs and Oppos i mean lexicons.

 

[JerryLove]

The relevance is so that we can gauge your comments based on what you have.
Sometimes people voice strong opinions because of envy that they cannot afford expensive high end hi fi equipment.

I think retail on my gear is around 40k, not counting custom gear. Hal t.half used. Wanna compare? Seriously though, I don't see that what I own has any bearing on what I know. What I have listened to perhaps, but not what I own.

Aren't you the one with no avr or amp? If what you own determines the value of your opinion... well...

BTW: I just got the user manual from Roy. I'll read it tonight. When the review is ready, I'll make a new thread for it. There are still a lot of pics to takes and I need to try whatever the user manual recommends.

 

[Dr. Parthipan]

I think retail on my gear is around 40k, not counting custom gear. Hal t.half used. Wanna compare? Seriously though, I don't see that what I own has any bearing on what I know. What I have listened to perhaps, but not what I own.

Aren't you the one with no avr or amp? If what you own determines the value of your opinion... well...

BTW: I just got the user manual from Roy. I'll read it tonight. When the review is ready, I'll make a new thread for it. There are still a lot of pics to takes and I need to try whatever the user manual recommends.

It wasn't me that initially brought up the issue of what he owns.

As far as the review is concerned that's what I came to read about and after all this time you still haven't posted much about the speakers. My concern is that unless you can write a rave review immediately after hearing them, there might be something wrong with them. It shouldn't take too much care in setting up to realise whether they're special speakers or not.

 

[JerryLove]

It wasn't me that initially brought up the issue of what he owns.

As far as the review is concerned that's what I came to read about and after all this time you still haven't posted much about the speakers. My concern is that unless you can write a rave review immediately after hearing them, there might be something wrong with them. It shouldn't take too much care in setting up to realise whether they're special speakers or not.

There are areas in the sound of abnormal emphasis. One of them is most easy to describe in relation to home theater applications. I will continue to explore with position and configuration to determine what the best sound I can get from these is.

Writing a review might sound simple: but try it sometime. Try being specific. Try setting up all the photos and measurements. And try it during the holidays with your family while holding down a full time job, taking classes, an preferencing sleep overwanting to hurry a review. It takes some time.

 

[KEW]

There are areas in the sound of abnormal emphasis. One of them is most easy to describe in relation to home theater applications. I will continue to explore with position and configuration to determine what the best sound I can get from these is.

Writing a review might sound simple: but try it sometime. Try being specific. Try setting up all the photos and measurements. And try it during the holidays with your family while holding down a full time job, taking classes, an preferencing sleep overwanting to hurry a review. It takes some time.

Sleep? Sleep on your own time after the review!
Freakin' wuss!
Good to see you have the manual now!

 

[KEW]

It wasn't me that initially brought up the issue of what he owns.

As far as the review is concerned that's what I came to read about and after all this time you still haven't posted much about the speakers. My concern is that unless you can write a rave review immediately after hearing them, there might be something wrong with them. It shouldn't take too much care in setting up to realise whether they're special speakers or not.

I have listened to the GMA Rio's. I did not do a reveiew because the circumstances did not allow a proper set-up for making good assessments of strengths and weaknesses. I can say I listened to other decent speakers without the phase coherent design within minutes in the same room. Given those limitations, I experienced no dramatic "gotta have 'em" sensations. They sounded like reasonably decent speakers (in a foreign room). The phase coherent aspect may indeed benefit speakers, but it is not so "night and day" as to be easily discerned without a AB setup or more time to compare than I had.
HTH

 

[Dr. Parthipan]

There are areas in the sound of abnormal emphasis. One of them is most easy to describe in relation to home theater applications. I will continue to explore with position and configuration to determine what the best sound I can get from these is.

Writing a review might sound simple: but try it sometime. Try being specific. Try setting up all the photos and measurements. And try it during the holidays with your family while holding down a full time job, taking classes, an preferencing sleep overwanting to hurry a review. It takes some time.

Are you sure you along with many others haven't been tricked into buying these speakers on the basis of time coherence which promises better sound over the competition only to discover that they don't?

 

[JerryLove]

Are you sure you along with many others haven't been tricked into buying these speakers on the basis of time coherence which promises better sound over the competition only to discover that they don't?

I bought these for the sole purpose of satisfying my curiosity. If they turn out worth the money, they will be kept. If not, they go back up on audiogon.

 

[Shakeydeal]

Are you sure you along with many others haven't been tricked into buying these speakers on the basis of time coherence which promises better sound over the competition only to discover that they don't?

You might think I was tricked. But it is a real treat every time I listen to my time coherent speakers.....

Shakey

 

[Dr. Parthipan]

I bought these for the sole purpose of satisfying my curiosity. If they turn out worth the money, they will be kept. If not, they go back up on audiogon.

I understand that but why did you choose these particular speakers which you had no way of auditioning and which are not even manufactured anymore?

 

[tom67]

Amazing

This whole thread started with Jerry trying to share his journey of exploring and enjoying an interesting new set of speakers that you dont encounter every day......and has degraded into a melee of agendas....shows you why you should avoid inviting drunks to your wedding......

 

[Dr. Parthipan]

You might think I was tricked. But it is a real treat every time I listen to my time coherent speakers.....

Shakey

In what way?

 

[Shakeydeal]

I could give you a laundry list of what they do in audiophile terms, but that is really pointless. The important thing is that they sound like real musicians in the room, not just like a really good pair of speakers. I have owned good speakers that sound just like that really good speakers. Nothing wrong with it, lots of people are satisfied with achieving good sound. This is something different.


Shakey

 

[Dr. Parthipan]

The important thing is that they sound like real musicians in the room, not just like a really good pair of speakers. I have owned good speakers that sound just like that really good speakers. Nothing wrong with it, lots of people are satisfied with achieving good sound. This is something different.


Shakey

Have you been sent by Green Mountain? What you say sounds very familiar to me. If what you say is true, surely more people would have started raving about time coherent speakers? The reality is that there are only a handful of companies selling them and there isn't an overwhelming consensus about it among audiophiles to my knowledge and I would ask why.

 

[JerryLove]

Read the manual. Now I need to find my tape measure. My car is blocking the toolbox and it's cold. And the stands are too tall. I wonder if I should move the couch or pull out the saw.

Bah!

Sorry guys. No new listening today.

Shakey. I do have a question about a comment you made. You really like the sound, which is great. But how do you know that it's specifically the fact that the speakers are time coherent that makes the sound what you like. Have you done anything to rule out that you would like them the same without the coherency (IOW, that it's actually the dispersion, or the driver choice, or the like that you like)?

I think yours are adjustable. Did you move a driver and find it killed the experience?

 

[Shakeydeal]

Jerry,

I found that alignment of the tweeter/midrange pod to be crucial. It is a little more involving than setting up the Europas. When the time alignment wasn't right and the tweeter arrival time too soon, there was a sharpness to the sound that could be unpleasant on some recordings. That was when I just set the up initially w/o doing the proper procedure, just plopped them down and eyeballed things. I wasn't enamored at first like I thought I should be. But I heard enough goodness to know there was more to be had.

I liken it to the first time I heard a pair of Maggie 1.6s in a store many years ago. The setup was awful and the room had terrible acoustics. But I heard enough to know that I wanted to buy them. And after getting them into my system in my room, they sounded very good.

Bottom line is that Roy's speakers require more time and effort than run of the mill products, but the end result is worth it. He can fill you in on more tips to get the best out of the Europas. And the answer to your initial question is yes, I think the time coherence thing is real and contributes greatly to the sound. But I also think driver choice, cabinet construction and a simple xover make things sound more real too.

Shakey

 

[3db]

Jerry,

I found that alignment of the tweeter/midrange pod to be crucial. It is a little more involving than setting up the Europas. When the time alignment wasn't right and the tweeter arrival time too soon, there was a sharpness to the sound that could be unpleasant on some recordings. That was when I just set the up initially w/o doing the proper procedure, just plopped them down and eyeballed things. I wasn't enamored at first like I thought I should be. But I heard enough goodness to know there was more to be had.

On some recordings but not all? That would tell me that's it's the recording and not the speakers. Even time aligned speakers cannot fix a bad recording.

I rather the run of the mill Paradigm Studio series that has been designed with science behind it and proof that there is science behind it than the implied "voodoo" that afflicts the so called audiophiles speakers. If the rudmanetary specs aren't published, then the manufacturer is hiding something and should be best avoided. AKA BOSE

 

[Shakeydeal]

Go back to your Paradigms and receiver. This isn't your thing.

Shakey

BTW, here is some science for you.

http://www.greenmountainaudio.com/time-coherent-sound/

 

[3db]

Go back to your Paradigms and receiver. This isn't your thing.

Shakey

BTW, here is some science for you.

http://www.greenmountainaudio.com/time-coherent-sound/

So? Why not spec the speakers if there is science behind them? What is being hidden?

What models have you heard from Paradigm? What's so bad a about a receiver when playing well within its power enevlope? I doubt very much you would be able to tell between that and seperates level matched in a DBT?