gas prices

[Hattrick17]

Ethanol is Not good for the fuel systems.

I don't drive that much anymore which is good for everyone. I have two ICE vehicles soon to be replaced by electric in 2 years. One gets crap fuel economy and is only used for specific errands I try to keep that to a minimum use. The other gets over 32 MPG combined HWY/City. HWY is awesome almost 40 plus mpg. My total combined miles per driven per year is about 8000 miles. I agree those idiots who buy gas guzzling vehicles for daily drivers are not very smart. Too many choices are finally out there to overcome or reduce ones transportation expense. One just needs to make decision for themselves of what they want to own and use for transportation. If you choose a gas guzzling vehicle then don't bitch when the cost of gas goes up! END!. Complaining and pointing blame will not resolve ones transportation cost. One has to take action on their end. If gas cost too much then get a high efficiency ICE vehicle for daily use. Or better yet go electric. Issue resolved.

 

[SithZedi]

His concept helps the oil companies he is an oil man. To have the USA extract and refine all the oil we can find in our country to be sold on the world market is stupid and would eventually bite us in the ass. The key is get our oil out of and off the world trade of oil. If we did this, We would all be enjoying low cost gas for those who need it. Being our oil consumed only by us. With the rapid conversion of manufactured vehicles to electric and or hybrid electric the demand will continue to go down. Thus the fabrication of more demand by reducing the world wide supply and price gouge those who still need Oil for fuel is the only way to sustain profitability. Which is exactly what is occurring. Those off the oil grid for fuel are not effected as much except for the cost of good purchased which again is a fabrication of Corporate Big Food.

Sounds like you don't like big things. I am with you there. "If its big, its fascist", that goes for corporations and government.

In the big big picture, we should have sat on our reserves while letting the world deplete there own as I believe oil is finite as far as current drilling goes. We will need our oil for non energy uses since just about everything is made from oil derivatives. The list is staggering.

I have my misgivings about battery powered things because of the reliance on China for the metals and the pollution involved in getting them and disposing of them. I hope we find better ways to do that. Also unless we invest trillions in improving our current electrical grid it will backfire.

If the world is going to really be serious about better use of the natural resources available, the answer is obvious but will make some peoples heads explode. Build as many Nuclear plants as we can with the current technology available. Don't build them on earthquake faults or areas at risk of tsunamis like some idiots have done in the past and don't employ Russian bureaucrats to run them. All of the government(our) money we invest in solar and wind should be thrown at investing in fusion, geothermal, wave generation and hydrogen.

And did mention the electrical grids? I am tired of worrying about protecting my AV equipment from dirty electricity coming out of my plugs. Yeah, I'm ranting..

 

[Dude#1279435]

If the world is going to really be serious about better use of the natural resources available, the answer is obvious but will make some peoples heads explode. Build as many Nuclear plants as we can with the current technology available. Don't build them on earthquake faults or areas at risk of tsunamis like some idiots have done in the past and don't employ Russian bureaucrats to run them. All of the government(our) money we invest in solar and wind should be thrown at investing in fusion, geothermal, wave generation and hydrogen.

The producers of nuclear plants don't like them in their backyards either. Maybe we can build one or two in New Mexico's desert. That way if there's a problem, well it's in the desert so we don't have to know about it. Come to think of it. They don't like windmills in their backyard either. I kinda like them though. That woosh sound is kind of meditative.

 

[j_garcia]

The producers of nuclear plants don't like them in their backyards either. Maybe we can build one or two in New Mexico's desert. That way if there's a problem, well it's in the desert so we don't have to know about it. Come to think of it. They don't like windmills in their backyard either. I kinda like them though. That woosh sound is kind of meditative.

I liked how the Olympics had the ski jump center setup right next to 3 Mile Island.

 

[SithZedi]

Well

The producers of nuclear plants don't like them in their backyards either. Maybe we can build one or two in New Mexico's desert. That way if there's a problem, well it's in the desert so we don't have to know about it. Come to think of it. They don't like windmills in their backyard either. I kinda like them though. That woosh sound is kind of meditative.

Well you gotta step up to the plate if you want to secure a future. I live 16 miles from the nearest nuclear plant. In fact within a 50 mile radius live @18million people. It's called Indian Point. So if we can have a reactor near enough to the largest city in the US that is our nation's financial capital, we can put a few more in other locations.

They shut it down last year because we had a governor who in between groping women and ripping off the tax payers was running for re election and wanted to virtue signal to the green vote. The lost GWs were going to be replaced by solar and wind and the voters believed it. Now we are polluting more with natural gas and even that is not enough to replace the lost GWs. Rates are skyrocking here and the voters are wondering why?

So we are polluting more and paying more for energy. That governor had a brother who had a prime time show on CNN. What was his name again?

 

[Dude#1279435]

Well

Well you gotta step up to the plate if you want to secure a future. I live 16 miles from the nearest nuclear plant. In fact within a 50 mile radius live @18million people. It's called Indian Point. So if we can have a reactor near enough to the largest city in the US that is our nation's financial capital, we can put a few more in other locations.

They shut it down last year because we had a governor who in between groping women and ripping off the tax payers was running for re election and wanted to virtue signal to the green vote. The lost GWs were going to be replaced by solar and wind and the voters believed it. Now we are polluting more with natural gas and even that is not enough to replace the lost GWs. Rates are skyrocking here and the voters are wondering why?

So we are polluting more and paying more for energy. That governor had a brother who had a prime time show on CNN. What was his name again?

I don't remember his name. Seriously, I'm well aware of wind and solar not being practical choices. Also car batteries? Not sure how that will go when you have the darn things all over the place.

 

[highfigh]

It is a sign of one not understanding open market capitalism. To blame any President for the control of a product pricing is absurd. If you want to blame anyone blame the Oil Companies for Vulture Capitalizing everyone in the world for the cost of a barrel of oil. I maybe incorrect but the only nations which do not abide to the open market pricing of a barrel of crude is the OPEC nations. Hence they sell can control the cost of fuel outside of the world markets. Thus making available to their public a dollar a gallon or less for gasoline. They control their own energy. The rest of the world doesn't. They depend on open market values. If the USA did this one, the oil companies would scream! Two, if the USA controlled its own oil and not be in participation of world wide markets then the cost would be under a dollar a gallon like OPEC nations.

Maybe people would be more pissed off about the price of gasoline if their investment portfolios didn't contain oil stocks.

 

[highfigh]

Well

Well you gotta step up to the plate if you want to secure a future. I live 16 miles from the nearest nuclear plant. In fact within a 50 mile radius live @18million people. It's called Indian Point. So if we can have a reactor near enough to the largest city in the US that is our nation's financial capital, we can put a few more in other locations.

They shut it down last year because we had a governor who in between groping women and ripping off the tax payers was running for re election and wanted to virtue signal to the green vote. The lost GWs were going to be replaced by solar and wind and the voters believed it. Now we are polluting more with natural gas and even that is not enough to replace the lost GWs. Rates are skyrocking here and the voters are wondering why?

So we are polluting more and paying more for energy. That governor had a brother who had a prime time show on CNN. What was his name again?

Thinking that solar and wind can replace nuclear shows complete ignorance about energy, as does the crowd who digs their heels into the dirt when it comes to eliminating Ethanol.

 

[Old Onkyo]

Maybe people would be more pissed off about the price of gasoline if their investment portfolios didn't contain oil stocks.

Small percentage of the population.
If you live in California, what other people consider high gas prices, we consider a bargain! The cost of living in the sunshine.

 

[highfigh]

His concept helps the oil companies he is an oil man. To have the USA extract and refine all the oil we can find in our country to be sold on the world market is stupid and would eventually bite us in the ass. The key is get our oil out of and off the world trade of oil. If we did this, We would all be enjoying low cost gas for those who need it. Being our oil consumed only by us. With the rapid conversion of manufactured vehicles to electric and or hybrid electric the demand will continue to go down. Thus the fabrication of more demand by reducing the world wide supply and price gouge those who still need Oil for fuel is the only way to sustain profitability. Which is exactly what is occurring. Those off the oil grid for fuel are not effected as much except for the cost of good purchased which again is a fabrication of Corporate Big Food.

Electric and hybrid vehicles use a shitload of plastic and we all know that plastic is made from oil. Well, the most durable plastics are. PVC is made from Salt & oil. If the US had its head out of its butt, desalination plants would be providing the salt and taking care of a portion of the fresh water problems out West. But, well, ya know....

 

[highfigh]

Small percentage of the population.

Wanna bet? Who has a retirement account that's made up of a group of stocks, compiled by a manager at an investment house? A helluva lot.

 

[Old Onkyo]

And you believe that the average American in a managed account they have access to through their 401k or similar plan, even knows they have any interest in oil?

You believe they are so satisfied with their return that they won’t be upset at gas prices in excess of$5.00 a gallon?

I just paid $65 dollars to fill up my Camry. I never looked at the price. Guy next to me in a lifted truck was crying about paying over $100, and he did not top it off. Twelve pump islands, all 3-4 cars deep waiting for it.

You you drive a gas vehicle, you pay whatever the price is…
The thing I love most about you….you are consistent.

 

[highfigh]

Small percentage of the population.
If you live in California, what other people consider high gas prices, we consider a bargain! The cost of living in the sunshine.

Why is it so much more than in other parts of the US? The gas tax is only 2 cents more than in WI and I can drive 8 miles from home to get it for about $3.20/gallon. Is it higher transportation costs? I thought CA had a lot of electric and hybrid vehicles- that should cause the demand for gasoline to drop, right? I have a cousin in CA and she's driving her second car that uses CNG- loves it.

 

[highfigh]

Most Americans don’t have retirement accounts.

Define 'most'. People who work minimum wage jobs won't, but many others will. People are far too willing to piss away every penny they have on TVs, clothes and other crap they really don't need, unless that 'need' is to keep up with others. I see a lot of companies are offering a signing bonus for new hires- that money COULD be saved, but this is America, where people want more, more more.

There are so many reasons that are ignored WRT the cost of goods & services/inflation and people working for minimum wage will never be able to afford much, but those jobs aren't supposed to be a career, either.

 

[Old Onkyo]

Why is it so much more than in other parts of the US? The gas tax is only 2 cents more than in WI and I can drive 8 miles from home to get it for about $3.20/gallon. Is it higher transportation costs? I thought CA had a lot of electric and hybrid vehicles- that should cause the demand for gasoline to drop, right? I have a cousin in CA and she's driving her second car that uses CNG- loves it.

Thank you cousin for me.

 

[SithZedi]

Define 'most'. People who work minimum wage jobs won't, but many others will. People are far too willing to piss away every penny they have on TVs, clothes and other crap they really don't need, unless that 'need' is to keep up with others. I see a lot of companies are offering a signing bonus for new hires- that money COULD be saved, but this is America, where people want more, more more.

There are so many reasons that are ignored WRT the cost of goods & services/inflation and people working for minimum wage will never be able to afford much, but those jobs aren't supposed to be a career, either.

Further to your point. Some of my relations don't have a dime saved in an IRA but they were lucky enough to have a job with a defined benefit pension plan or a gov't or municipal employee, etc.
Chances are rather high that the pension trustees are in fossil fuel stocks...

CalPERS 13F filings and top holdings and stakes - stockzoa

 

[Mikado463]

You believe they are so satisfied with their return that they won’t be upset at gas prices in excess of$5.00 a gallon?

I suspect Putin is betting on the will of the American populous to cave, after all 'the Greatest Generation' and their ability to sacrifice is well in the rearview mirror.

I just paid $65 dollars to fill up my Camry.

should have bought the Prius !

Guy next to me in a lifted truck was crying about paying over $100, and he did not top it off.

saw a guy on the news last night saying it took $400 of diesel to fill up his truck !!

 

[Dude#1279435]

Buy a Geo Metro. 45-50 MPG. Oh wait. They don't make em anymot

I suspect Putin is betting on the will of the American populous to cave, after all 'the Greatest Generation' and their ability to sacrifice is well in the rearview mirror.




should have bought the Prius !



saw a guy on the news last night saying it took $400 of diesel to fill up his truck !!

Haha, I'd say Geo Metro at 40/45 MPG, but then they don't make those anymore.

Grateful I still have my scooter.

 

[cpp]

Right now, it is what it is and there is not one thing we can do as mere residents until the next election. You just suck it up and fill up. And going out and offering up the average transaction price for a new electric vehicle (EV) is $44k - $56,437 according to Kelly well my car and truck are paid for and I'm retired so its not going to happen again. Been the EV route once, I'll wait a few more years and maybe the infrastructure in the states I drive can support it.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Right now, it is what it is and there is not one thing we can do as mere residents until the next election. You just suck it up and fill up. And going out and offering up the average transaction price for a new electric vehicle (EV) is $44k - $56,437 according to Kelly well my car and truck are paid for and I'm retired so its not going to happen again. Been the EV route once, I'll wait a few more years and maybe the infrastructure in the states I drive can support it.

Those the prices on hybrids?