From years of HT to a dedicated 2-channel rig

[mono-bloc]

You’re the expert!

A truer word has never been spoken

If your happy with your set-up, there's simply no need for others to criticise. Especially when they have zero knowledge of your system. I had a pair of Mola Mola mono bloc's year ago, Very satisfied.

TLS is our resident D**KH**D there's a rumour going round he lives with Lov*n Great minds w** dream alike.

 

[tparm]

Show me the impedance curve. I bet it shows cabinet resonance. 2" thick walls does not preclude the need for bracing. His website is geared to the gullible, and contains absolutely nothing of substance except the photography.

I understand you have a passion for speaker design and it’s nice to have passions. So does Klaus and he has a lifetime of design and manufacturing of initially high end audio and now Odyssey. The components are carefully matched and several cabinet designs were made, with and without bracing, before landing on the current iteration; angled, ported, and variable thickness because that what sounds best. I prefer them to Eggleston Works, Polk LSiM 707s, Cornwall IVs, and QLNs I’ve had through my room. But to each their own.
What I don’t understand is why grumpy people like you choose to comment negatively on other peoples choices. You’ve never heard, or pulled apart, these speakers so what’s it matter what your opinion is?
I chose to enjoy this hobby and support others in their quest for enjoying their rigs. I didn’t ask a question in my post.

 

[TLS Guy]

I understand you have a passion for speaker design and it’s nice to have passions. So does Klaus and he has a lifetime of design and manufacturing of initially high end audio and now Odyssey. The components are carefully matched and several cabinet designs were made, with and without bracing, before landing on the current iteration; angled, ported, and variable thickness because that what sounds best. I prefer them to Eggleston Works, Polk LSiM 707s, Cornwall IVs, and QLNs I’ve had through my room. But to each their own.
What I don’t understand is why grumpy people like you choose to comment negatively on other peoples choices. You’ve never heard, or pulled apart, these speakers so what’s it matter what your opinion is?
I chose to enjoy this hobby and support others in their quest for enjoying their rigs. I didn’t ask a question in my post.

I don't. I just draw the line when people tout their superstitions, because that is what they are. The question remains: - Where is your data? I publish mine, why won't Klaus? You can select the finest components for a speaker design, and still make an awful speaker. Flowery language is NOT a substitute for hard data.

 

[highfigh]

2 channel listening can be fantastic from the sweet spot but I can't think of any good reason why someone would sacrifice a multichannel surround system when watching movies. They're two different worlds of audio.

For some, maybe content of the movie is more important than the sound effects.

 

[tparm]

I don't. I just draw the line when people tout their superstitions, because that is what they are. The question remains: - Where is your data? I publish mine, why won't Klaus? You can select the finest components for a speaker design, and still make an awful speaker. Flowery language is NOT a substitute for hard data.

You aren’t open to the fact that he may make a very good speaker. What speakers do you make? I’d like to have a look.
He’s in an RV with his wife on a month long trip, I’ll ask him if he can send pictures of his graphs when he’s back in two weeks.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Man, you guys are killing it this morning.

The system looks clean and nice. At the end of the day (and beginning ), enjoy your life to the fullest !!!!

 

[Mikado463]

Man, you guys are killing it this morning.

The system looks clean and nice. At the end of the day (and beginning ), enjoy your life to the fullest !!!!

exactly, IMO tparm has a superb looking and I'll wager to bet sweet sounding man cave, listening room. I'd love to sip on a great cocktail from his bar and listen to some great music !

 

[tparm]

exactly, IMO tparm has a superb looking and I'll wager to bet sweet sounding man cave, listening room. I'd love to sip on a great cocktail from his bar and listen to some great music !

Y’all are welcome anytime! If you find yourself on the western side of VA in the Shenandoah Valley look me up.

 

[Mikado463]

Y’all are welcome anytime! If you find yourself on the western side of VA in the Shenandoah Valley look me up.

ya never know, one of my best friends(another retired railroader) lives just North of Charlottesville , Dyke, Va

 

[tparm]

Wow! We love Stone Mountain Vineyard in Dyke, about 35-40 minutes from me. Super cool.

 

[mono-bloc]

What speakers do you make? I’d like to have a look.

He doesn't make speakers only a lot of irreverent noise. And frankly it's none of his business what some designer / builder publishes, At the end of the day the worlds perfect data, can amount to really crap sound output.. And a complete lash-up design can sound audio perfection. Ask yourself this, If our friendly couple , lets call them Dad and Dave, just to keep everything happy, happy are so wonderful and all knowing, why don't we see them publishing on established audio forums.. Or is it case of big fish , small pond syndrome. People post about there systems on here in good faith, only to have there set-up criticized and disapproved off by these clowns. It's simply not fair, and gives this forum a bad name to any new people looking for assistance,

 

[Bobby Bass]

About a year ago I sold my entire HT rig, down to the rack that was built into my wall and began my 2-channel journey. After much buying/selling/listening I have landed in my happy place for a while. Only thing not pictured is a used Innuos Zen Mk3 that I purchased today. Very simple rig that sounds fantastic. In case anyone wants to know; Mola Mola Kula with DAC card, all AAC Statement cables, and custom made Odyssey Liquid speakers.

Did the same. Found myself listening to music instead of movies in my finished basement room the past year. Made the switch from 7 channel AVR with powered L and R fronts to a 2 channel system. Spending a lot of time and money on the hobby including streaming in Hi Res after years of basic streaming using my phone or Bluetooth speakers. Even back to buying CDs again. Loving my music more than ever. Movies in the TV room with the family using Sonos Beam 2 and mini sub. The family could care less about the sound as long as it’s not too loud. Have several Sonos units and like the combination of sound and convenience when listening to music beyond the basement listening room. Kept the AVR setup for now. Have been helping out a couple of buddies that are into music but don‘t have the money to upgrade their equipment With some of my old stuff.

 

[Bobby Bass]

About a year ago I sold my entire HT rig, down to the rack that was built into my wall and began my 2-channel journey. After much buying/selling/listening I have landed in my happy place for a while. Only thing not pictured is a used Innuos Zen Mk3 that I purchased today. Very simple rig that sounds fantastic. In case anyone wants to know; Mola Mola Kula with DAC card, all AAC Statement cables, and custom made Odyssey Liquid speakers.

How do you like your Innuos Zen Mk3? I know this thread is old but I’m getting one and would be interested in your experience. Also what brand of USB 2.0 cable are you using to connect it to your DAC?

 

[3db]

To the OP, Im happy for you because what you did makes you happy.

I have a different experience which Im happy to share. If anyone has seen by set up in the basement as shown in the Pros & Joes gallary, I have set up a dedicated 2 channel system , pre-amp, power amp, eq, dvd player, cassette deck, and TT that uses the main speakers of my AVR system controlled through a manual selector switch.

My take away is that both systems sound the same when the EQ is set to flat on the dedicated 2 channel system and the AVR is set to pure direct mode. Both setups are extremely revealing. It doesnt surprise me that both systems sound the same because they go through the same main speakers. What it does show is that electronics in the chain doesnt impart a sonic signature like so many audiophiles subjectively claim.

 

[Funnychap]

To the OP, Im happy for you because what you did makes you happy.

I have a different experience which Im happy to share. If anyone has seen by set up in the basement as shown in the Pros & Joes gallary, I have set up a dedicated 2 channel system , pre-amp, power amp, eq, dvd player, cassette deck, and TT that uses the main speakers of my AVR system controlled through a manual selector switch.

My take away is that both systems sound the same when the EQ is set to flat on the dedicated 2 channel system and the AVR is set to pure direct mode. Both setups are extremely revealing. It doesnt surprise me that both systems sound the same because they go through the same main speakers. What it does show is that electronics in the chain doesnt impart a sonic signature like so many audiophiles subjectively claim.

Your system is not revealing enough to hear a difference. I hear an improvement in electronics when I upgraded my AVRs from a basic $400 Denon S750H to a $1200 Denon X3700H to a $2k Arcam AVR5.

 

[3db]

Your system is not revealing enough to hear a difference. I hear an improvement in electronics when I upgraded my AVRs from a basic $400 Denon S750H to a $1200 Denon X3700H to a $2k Arcam AVR5.

If you are talking about codecs or pushing an AVR's amplifier limits, I can agree with you. But if its just two channel sound with no codecs or processing of any kind, then the changes you've heard are based on sight bias and your imagination. I wonder if you even bothered to see what components Im using in my 2 channel,system.

 

[Funnychap]

If you are talking about codecs or pushing an AVR's amplifier limits, I can agree with you. But if its just two channel sound with no codecs or processing of any kind, then the changes you've heard are based on sight bias and your imagination. I wonder if you even bothered to see what components Im using in my 2 channel,system.

I did see your gear list. Your Yamaha's RX-A3060 DAC has an ESS ES9016A

I also hear a sound improvement in a 2-channel stereo setup when upgrading just the amplifier (no codecs or processing of any kind as you mentioned) from a $550 Emotiva BasX-A3 to a $1k Parasound 2125v2 to a $2400 NAD C298.

What allowed me to hear these differences (with electronics and interconnect cables) was when I finally upgraded speakers with a cone tweeter (even titanium with neonydium magnets) to a high end ribbon tweeter (GoldenEar BRX speakers with AMT tweeters and neonydium magnets),

And of course one should use a lossless streaming source such as Apple Music.

 

[3db]

I did see your gear list. Your Yamaha's RX-A3060 DAC has an ESS ES9016A

I also hear a sound improvement in a 2-channel stereo setup when upgrading just the amplifier (no codecs or processing of any kind as you mentioned) from a $550 Emotiva BasX-A3 to a $1k Parasound 2125v2 to a $2400 NAD C298.

What allowed me to hear these differences (with electronics and interconnect cables) was when I finally upgraded speakers with a cone tweeter (even titanium with neonydium magnets) to a high end ribbon tweeter (GoldenEar BRX speakers with AMT tweeters and neonydium magnets),

And of course one should use a lossless streaming source such as Apple Music.

So you upgraded your electronics before your speakers and you claim to hear differences? Who would have ever thought that possible??? Go read Dr Floyd Toole's book and educate yourself on the most powerful DSP ever. As Dr Toole aluded many times in his book, interpreting results from uncontrolled sight listening tests is fraught with many errors. The ONLY way to detect differences is under blind controlled listening test conditions. If you can hear differences under those conditions, then I'll believe you. Anything else is unsubstantiated imagination.