French Catholic clergy sexually abused 216,000 children, report finds

[Pogre]

It would be funny if these charlatans were harmless. After reading this - Kenneth Copeland - Wikipedia - I'm left wondering how people could be so hoodwinked as to give this person and his organization so much money that clearly goes to funding lavish lifestyles. Perhaps they feel that they are investing in their own prosperity - Prosperity theology - Wikipedia.

Copeland's newest thing is justifying a private jet so he can skirt any demons (covid mandates) that might prevent him from traveling to spread the word...

Right-Wing Preacher Cooks Up The Most Bonkers Plea Yet For A Private Jet

Kenneth Copeland served on Donald Trump's evangelical advisory panel in 2016.

m.huffpost.com

 

[GO-NAD!]

Copeland's newest thing is justifying a private jet so he can skirt any demons (covid mandates) that might prevent him from traveling to spread the word...

Right-Wing Preacher Cooks Up The Most Bonkers Plea Yet For A Private Jet

Kenneth Copeland served on Donald Trump's evangelical advisory panel in 2016.

m.huffpost.com

Well, should we really expect him to mingle with the smelly peasantry?

 

[GO-NAD!]

I like the AP story on the same subject with

"
Based on projections, the independent study estimates some 330,000 children overall were victims of sexual abuse linked to the church from 1950-2020. Of those, it estimates that some 216,000 were abused by priests, and the rest by other church figures such as scout leaders or camp counselors.

The study’s authors estimate 80% of the abused children were boys. A broader study of sexual abuse of children in France found that 75% of the overall victims were girls.

The numbers: France's report on church sex abuse of children

PARIS (AP) — France’s first major study of sexual abuse of children in the Catholic Church revealed shockingly large estimates of victims and adds to global understanding of the depth of the problem.

apnews.com

And, rather than weed out the problem clergy in their ranks, the RC Church compounds the criminality by doing their utmost to hide them and their crimes. I can think of two main reasons for this:
1) The embarrassment resulting from revelations of these crimes.
2) The financial liability resulting from the inevitable lawsuits filed by the victims. Just one example from my neck of the woods - Antigonish diocese to sell hundreds of properties | CBC News

These properties were paid for from the contributions of the parishioners. They are the ones paying for the crimes of their clergy. And, of course, the Vatican assumes no responsibility - moral or financial - for the actions of clergy under its control.

 

[Danzilla31]

Before everyone starts ripping on the Catholic church, most major religions have this problem. It's easier to expose in the Catholic church since it has a rigid hierarchy and practices good record keeping. You would think that it's particularly bad in the Catholic church since the clergy takes vows of celibacy, but there are indicators that it's a widespread problem in all major churches. They are just better at hiding the problem since the scandals are more localized and don't have to be dealt with by national or international leadership. Keep in mind I am not defending the Catholic church at all here, and I hope the French Catholic church implodes and dissolves from this report.

You hit the mark with this reply. Not just all religious organizations. I'd say organizations period. How about colleges how many examples have we seen there. Here's an eye opener on our public education system for our youth in the United States

 

[Danzilla31]

You hit the mark with this reply. Not just all religious organizations. I'd say organizations period. How about colleges how many examples have we seen there. Here's an eye opener on our public education system for our youth in the United States

Honestly when I think about all this I'm glad of 2 things. 1. that I never had kids. I couldn't sleep at night thinking about them navigating the sh$t show of a world we live in right now
2. If I did I'd sure as heck would have them home schooled.

 

[Pogre]

Honestly when I think about all this I'm glad of 2 things. 1. that I never had kids. I couldn't sleep at night thinking about them navigating the sh$t show of a world we live in right now
2. If I did I'd sure as heck would have them home schooled.

I'm not aware of any school that shuffled around known pederasts, hid them from prosecution for decades and got away with it.

 

[Teetertotter?]

Yes, this has been an issue for several years, here in the states. Hopefully by now, they have been convicted or left to hide, never to return. What else is new?

 

[GO-NAD!]

I'm not aware of any school that shuffled around known pederasts, hid them from prosecution for decades and got away with it.

I would refer to them as pedophiles, since it isn't just boys who have been abused - although it's probably well out of proportion within that particular milieu.

 

[Pogre]

I would refer to them as pedophiles, since it isn't just boys who have been abused - although it's probably well out of proportion within that particular milieu.

A fair point, but there's a distinction. A pedophile is someone who is attracted to children, but doesn't necessarily act on it. A pederast acts upon those impulses. Neither term works perfectly, but per the findings in the article it actually was mostly young boys.

 

[Trell]

I would refer to them as pedophiles, since it isn't just boys who have been abused - although it's probably well out of proportion within that particular milieu.

I'm of the same mind when I looked up the definition of pederasts, though I guess the RC qualifies.

Pederasty - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

>>>Pederasty or paederasty (US: /ˈpɛdəræsti/ or UK: /ˈpiːdəræsti/) is a homosexual relationship between an adult man and a pubescent or adolescent boy. The term pederasty is primarily used to refer to historical practices of certain cultures, particularly ancient Greece and ancient Rome. <<<

 

[GO-NAD!]

A fair point, but there's a distinction. A pedophile is someone who is attracted to children, but doesn't necessarily act on it. A pederast acts upon those impulses. Neither term works perfectly, but per the findings in the article it actually was mostly young boys.

But, those who act on their impulses would, by definition, be pedophiles.

 

[Pogre]

But, those who act on their impulses would, by definition, be pedophiles.

Or do they go from pedophile to pederast once an act is taken? A person can be a pedophile and not commit the act.

This isn't a hill I'm willing to die on by any means, it's just a distinction that was pointed out to me not long ago. I can easily be swayed tho.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Or do they go from pedophile to pederast once an act is taken? A person can be a pedophile and not commit the act.

This isn't a hill I'm willing to die on by any means, it's just a distinction that was pointed out to me not long ago. I can easily be swayed tho.

You're right that it isn't worth arguing over. However, from my recent reading on the topic, some(many?) pederastic relationships were platonic - at least in Classical times.

Even though it appears that most cases involve abuse of boys, after learning about this guy, I'll never forget that girls are also sometimes victimized - Joseph Maskell - Wikipedia. He was a particularly nasty piece of work.

 

[Trell]

You're right that it isn't worth arguing over. [snip]

 

[Danzilla31]

I'm not aware of any school that shuffled around known pederasts, hid them from prosecution for decades and got away with it.

Did you read the link? One school district paid out like 40 million to victims. Even told teachers to not participate in police investigations. Those abusers were allowed to stay in the system and continue there behaviour. How about Penn State. The downfall of Joe Paternos legacy? That cover up lasted for decades. This problem has been going on in our public education system for a long time. Hopefully this tragic situation exposed in the Catholic church will bring more scrutiny and awareness to this everywhere its happening

 

[Pogre]

Did you read the link? One school district paid out like 40 million to victims. Even told teachers to not participate in police investigations. Those abusers were allowed to stay in the system and continue there behaviour. How about Penn State. The downfall of Joe Paternos legacy? That cover up lasted for decades. This problem has been going on in our public education system for a long time. Hopefully this tragic situation exposed in the Catholic church will bring more scrutiny and awareness to this everywhere its happening

There are some incidents for sure, yes. Nothing on the scale of the church cover up tho. It goes back over 50 years and involves hundreds of thousands of (known) victims.

 

[Danzilla31]

There are some incidents for sure, yes. Nothing on the scale of the church cover up tho. It goes back over 50 years and involves hundreds of thousands of (known) victims.

Bro our school systems had more victims in just 10 YEARS. Statistically our kids are twice as likely to be involved in an incident here in the States I'm not saying the Catholic system shouldn't be put under the fire for this but let's not pay attention to the same problem that's even worse over here. And one of my units here at the military hospital? It's for military sexual trauma. Don't even get me started on that issue in that organization and what's been done at times to cover it up

 

[highfigh]

Kenneth Copeland probably didn't abuse anyone but he is likely the #1 most hated televangelist LOL.

Have you forgotten about Jimmy Swaggart, Donald Hagy and Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker?

6 Famously Awful Televangelists Who Are Somehow Still Around

TV preachers are still around (and still crazy).

www.cracked.com

 

[highfigh]

It would be funny if these charlatans were harmless. After reading this - Kenneth Copeland - Wikipedia - I'm left wondering how people could be so hoodwinked as to give this person and his organization so much money that clearly goes to funding lavish lifestyles. Perhaps they feel that they are investing in their own prosperity - Prosperity theology - Wikipedia.

But they're so sincere in their efforts to help others.......

 

[Dude#1279435]

Have you forgotten about Jimmy Swaggart, Donald Hagy and Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker?

6 Famously Awful Televangelists Who Are Somehow Still Around

TV preachers are still around (and still crazy).

www.cracked.com