Final step: a subwoofer for the dedicated stereo

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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
He can get a b-stock maple for $599 but even the black vinyl is still $699 which is 75% over his budget. But the built-in EQ of the SB-12 would work wonders in perfectly integrating it with your totems.

Would a small ported sub like an STF-1 be accurate enough for music?
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
He can get a b-stock maple for $599 but even the black vinyl is still $699 which is 75% over his budget. But the built-in EQ of the SB-12 would work wonders in perfectly integrating it with your totems.

Would a small ported sub like an STF-1 be accurate enough for music?
Where are you getting these numbers from... 500 to 699... not 75%

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emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
With something like the SB-12, if it's worth it I don't have a problem going that route. This isn't something that's happening right away necessarily. My first passion is photography (or I should say it's also one that I hadn't been putting money in to until recently but I needed to for a few things), and I'm waiting on something there. If that falls through, buying a sub puts a dent in the cash reserve I have dedicated towards a new camera but the SB-12 would only take up 1/3 of it currently.

The low level RCA in & out of the SB-12 are interesting. I suppose I could remove the jumpers on my integrated amp and loop it though the subwoofer there instead if I wanted.
 
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Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
He said he has $300-400 budget. From 400 to 699 is a 75% increase.
Oh, I saw the 300 - 500 range part of his post. Must've read it wrong.

My mistake.

Still, I would push it up to the SB-12 range.

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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
The STF-2 gets my vote or stretch a little for the SVS.
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
I should just drive to my parents 500+ miles away, grab their Martin Logan Depth and run.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
I should just drive to my parents 500+ miles away, grab their Martin Logan Depth and run.
You know... that isn't a half bad idea.. I mean... they won't be able to run after you...

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no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
Given that in most music there isn't much content below ~40Hz, finding a sub that can do 20Hz cleanly may be unnecessary, so you may have quite a few more choices open to you for a sub that will be in a music only stereo system.

For example, the YST-SW1500 mentioned earlier isn't great for deep bass, but its performance above ~30Hz isn't bad.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Given that in most music there isn't much content below ~40Hz, finding a sub that can do 20Hz cleanly may be unnecessary, so you may have quite a few more choices open to you for a sub that will be in a music only stereo system.

For example, the YST-SW1500 mentioned earlier isn't great for deep bass, but its performance above ~30Hz isn't bad.
Just because "Most" music doesn't have deep deep bass (It's more like 30hz, not 40) doesn't it's a good idea to short change yourself.

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no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
Just because "Most" music doesn't have deep deep bass (It's more like 30hz, not 40) doesn't it's a good idea to short change yourself.

SheepStar
I agree that you don't want to short change yourself, but if you don't keep in mind the needs for the system, you will end up paying for what is not needed.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
I agree that you don't want to short change yourself, but if you don't keep in mind the needs for the system, you will end up paying for what is not needed.
You need to look into the future too.

What if he moves the system into a bigger room? This isn't a big enough gap to justify getting less.

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no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
You need to look into the future too.
Obviously, but the needs of the present need to be kept in the forefront.

I'm not suggesting that a SB12 is a bad idea, I'm suggesting that given emorphien would rather spend the money on photography, perhaps there is another sub that would fill his needs that is closer to his budget.
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
Up to this day, I have never read of anyone praising an SVS sub for it's "musicality." SVS subs have always been about hitting the lowest bass note with the loudest SPL. This is good for home theater one note bass explosions, but clearly not suited for a music oriented system.

On the other hand, I have read numerous reviews over the years praising Yamaha subs for their "musicality." Clearly, Yamaha's philosophy is not about getting the bragging rights for making the baddest, loudest soudning sub on the planet.


I have owned a mid range Yamaha sub in the past, a dual 8 inch woofer model. I don't remember the model number now. For movies, I admit it didn't go low enough. But for music, it was quite pleasant, giving me that bottom end that made my old bookshelves sound fuller and richer.



To the original poster. For subs, you really shouldn't compromise. You should really get the best sub you can afford. I recommend the Velodyne DD series sub. The 10 inch model should be more than sufficient for a music only system. Once you hear the kind of clean, quick bass the DD series is capable of producing, you will never want to settle on anything of lesser caliber. I know it's VERY expensive. If you currently cannot afford it, you should just wait a couple of years and save up the money.

In this music hobby, in the long run, it's always better to spend your money once, on the best stuff. Otherwise, if you go for the mediocre stuff, you will just end up trading up for progressively better and better stuff. You will lose a lot of money in the trade up process, not to mention the very real possibility of back injury packing/unpacking a couple of those big subs.
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
I'd much rather spend a bit more now on something that's ideal than on something that I'll wish to replace in a few years.

I have not been familiar with SVS as being popular music subs as well, however the SB-12 seems to have the traits that would fit with the needs of music more than home theater like good, even response while lacking in the SPL and depth characteristics most home theater junkies desire more than a lot of music listeners (not to say a good sub at one isn't good at the other, but there seem to be some compromises in this price range or that some music listeners don't require extreme low frequency or SPL output).

The SVS does look good for my needs, but I'll check out Velodyne as well. My home theater sub is an aging Velodyne.

If the camera isn't announced by the end of this month, or something about it means it's going to be a while before I buy one, I will probably order/buy a sub by Feb.

edit: ok well I looked in to the Velodyne and can't get a good sense of the price. It seems to be $1500-2000. That's definitely out of the question for the next few years. I'll worry about something of that caliber when I'm out of grad school.
 
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no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
I have not been familiar with SVS as being popular music subs as well, however the SB-12 seems to have the traits that would fit with the needs of music more than home theater like good...
And a parametric EQ, which would be helpful in increasing the "musicalness" in a cubical room. :cool:
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
I can attest to the fact that the SB-12plus is deffinately a musical sub, in the terms that it is sealed, tight and not sloppy whatsoever...

I bought one for my son, and let me tell you, this thing is seriously loud, puchy accurate, punchy, clean and is a great bang for the buck... I bought a b-stock unit and its awesome... I have to run upstairs more often then I would have thought to tell him to turn it down, as it vibrates the whole first floor from up there...

It is definately a great buy compared to what you would get at the store..

SB-12Plus gets my vote !! In fact I'm in the basement right now, and I got to go tell him to chill out again... grr and that techno CR@P is killing me... why oh why did I buy that thing...
 

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