H

herbu

Audioholic Samurai
My Denon X4000 has a "Dynamic Volume" setting within the Audyssey parameters.

The manual says:
"Dynamic Volume solves the problem of large variations in volume level between television programs, commercials, and between the soft and loud passages of movies."

It has settings for Off/Light/Medium/Heavy.

When I have it "Off", there is a huge variation in volume between BDs, music, TV and especially commercials. Some commercials are as much as 20dB louder than the TV show. Also, songs within Pandora vary greatly in volume. So I like it on "Light" or "Medium" for this reason. The thing that concerns me is, "the soft and loud passages of movies".

With this setting on, what's going on within a movie or song? Are the explosions softer? The low voices louder? Some instruments louder/softer?

If it equalizes a TV commercial ~20dB, is it doing the same within a movie or song?
I like the more consistent volume, but I hate to think I'm distorting the sound within a source.
Do ya'll leave it off, or turn it on/off depending on what you're watching or listening to? I think I've seen some folks say they always leave it off. I suppose that's for sonic accuracy. Does that mean you have to fiddle w/ the volume a lot?

Thanks.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
When I have it "Off", there is a huge variation in volume between BDs, music, TV and especially commercials. Some commercials are as much as 20dB louder than the TV show. Also, songs within Pandora vary greatly in volume. So I like it on "Light" or "Medium" for this reason. The thing that concerns me is, "the soft and loud passages of movies".

With this setting on, what's going on within a movie or song? Are the explosions softer? The low voices louder? Some instruments louder/softer?

If it equalizes a TV commercial ~20dB, is it doing the same within a movie or song?
The excessive volume of commercials is a two stage problem. First, the commercials are not recorded at the same audio quality as show content. Lower dynamic range causes overall audio level to be elevated. This is a matter of signal processing and cannot be avoided. The second, perhaps bigger issue, is that TV networks boost the volume levels for commercials. This combined with the first issue creates a huge volume difference between show and commercial audio. Here is a thorough look at effect of low dynamic range on signal level, http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep11/articles/loudness.htm.

What Audyssey Dynamic Volume does is, it looks into the upcoming signal and applies a cut to the high dynamic range content subsequent to low dynamic range content. An example is explained in the Audio Demos section here,

Dynamic Volume is a technology that takes the edge off of sudden sonic transitions. Imagine you are watching an action movie late at night, and a scene begins with subdued conversation, then suddenly gunfire erupts. If you have kids sleeping, most of the time you find yourself rushing for the remote to turn down the volume. Dynamic Volume "looks ahead" and cuts 12-17db off of the volume, but does so very naturally and the effect is seamless. The "look ahead" is not so much as to cause sync issues, but does an amazing job of silencing sudden or loud passages.

Obviously, this is the perfect technology for watching TV. How often have been sitting in your theater watching Idol with your kids when the show cuts to a commercial. And the dreaded local Fox affiliate commercial - maybe a local car dealership - blasts you out of your chair? Dynamic Volume solves this problem. Chris showed a clip from the BCS Championship game earlier this year, and when Dynamic Volume was turned off, an annoying Verizon commercial blasted into the room during a timeout. With Dynamic Volume engaged, the commercial was still just as annoying, but the volume stayed consistent with the game - the commercial's volume was reduced by 20 db!
Do ya'll leave it off, or turn it on/off depending on what you're watching or listening to? I think I've seen some folks say they always leave it off. I suppose that's for sonic accuracy. Does that mean you have to fiddle w/ the volume a lot?
Unfortunately, the only way to control Dynamic Volume setting is by input source. For that input, the setting will apply to all content. So, while the commercials are getting compressed to give a consistent volume compared to shows, a Pay per View movie will have the same processing applied to it. Consequently, most of us 'audioholics' just leave it off, and use the remote's mute button to exert some control on the situation.

You should test the setting for yourself. Play something with huge dynamic range and then again with Dynamic Volume on 'Light'. I would not recommend going to a more aggressive setting than 'Light' for anything where you'd like to have at lease some amount of dynamic range. Maybe, depending on the situation, you can use it or keep if off. For example, sleeping kids around, Dynamic Volume 'High'. SO in other room, use 'Light'. At all other times, especially critical listening, use 'Off'.
 
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rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
I typically leave mine set to "light" because of the sleeping kid thing. But it sounds better off for music. I wish D&W would make the setting local to the DSP setting (Movies, Music, Games, Direct) the same way subwoofer volume is. But alas, if you turn it on for Movies, then turning it off for Music requires digging through menus. I wish there were a one-button toggle for the setting.

Anyway, +1 agarwalro. You said everything I was going to say, but better than I could've said it and with more works cited than I could've referenced. The only tweak I'll offer is that enabling Dynamic Volume seems to boost overall volume more than cutting peaks, but the net effect is pretty much the same. When I've got Dynamic Volume disabled, I have to turn the volume up 10dB to get to the same level as when Dynamic Volume is set to any enabled state.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
The only tweak I'll offer is that enabling Dynamic Volume seems to boost overall volume more than cutting peaks, but the net effect is pretty much the same. When I've got Dynamic Volume disabled, I have to turn the volume up 10dB to get to the same level as when Dynamic Volume is set to any enabled state.
It does both, cut peaks and boost lower level sounds. How the processing splits the weightage only Audyssey and Kris know. Here is another interview where he talks about DV, http://www.electronichouse.com/article/audyssey_dynamic_eq_and_dynamic_volume/D2/. He does state that the system does a better job (which I infer to mean, less obtrusive compression) if the processing has more data to work with. That makes complete sense since the compression needed will be different for a door slam vs all out gun fight.

The net effect of DV is just marketing BS for compression. The result of compressing a high Dynamic Range signal is that the average level goes up. This explains your need to turn up the Master Volume with DV disabled.
 
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afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
Just found this thread. I started using Dynamic Volume Light this weekend and I really like how the voice sounds louder and fuller. Now I don't need to put the Subtitles on late at night.:D I already adjusted for everything except music. I like that the Bass is still there at the lower volumes, cool.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I leave mine off... only because it sin the basement of a two story house so I have some "wiggle" room.
 
crossedover

crossedover

Audioholic Chief
I would only use dynamic volume processing in my bedroom and office systems (if I had it in the office). Our main theater / music setup is run in reference setup. Movies and music are experienced with full dynamics.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
It would be too artificial for me - so, I leave it off.
 
D

Drunder40

Audioholic Intern
The excessive volume of commercials is a two stage problem. First, the commercials are not recorded at the same audio quality as show content. Lower dynamic range causes overall audio level to be elevated. This is a matter of signal processing and cannot be avoided. The second, perhaps bigger issue, is that TV networks boost the volume levels for commercials. This combined with the first issue creates a huge volume difference between show and commercial audio. Here is a thorough look at effect of low dynamic range on signal level, 'Dynamic Range' & The Loudness War.

What Audyssey Dynamic Volume does is, it looks into the upcoming signal and applies a cut to the high dynamic range content subsequent to low dynamic range content. An example is explained in the Audio Demos section here,



Unfortunately, the only way to control Dynamic Volume setting is by input source. For that input, the setting will apply to all content. So, while the commercials are getting compressed to give a consistent volume compared to shows, a Pay per View movie will have the same processing applied to it. Consequently, most of us 'audioholics' just leave it off, and use the remote's mute button to exert some control on the situation.

You should test the setting for yourself. Play something with huge dynamic range and then again with Dynamic Volume on 'Light'. I would not recommend going to a more aggressive setting than 'Light' for anything where you'd like to have at lease some amount of dynamic range. Maybe, depending on the situation, you can use it or keep if off. For example, sleeping kids around, Dynamic Volume 'High'. SO in other room, use 'Light'. At all other times, especially critical listening, use 'Off'.
Was wondering if Yamaha receivers have a similar "Dynamic Volume" setting.. I have the v477.. Just curious
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I prefer to use only Dynamic EQ and turn off Dynamic Volume.

Dynamic Volume is dynamic compression. It increases the low volumes or troughs, but it also shops off the peaks.

But if you don't care about the peaks, then D. Volume is great.

It's not about superior vs. inferior or right vs. wrong, but rather just preference.
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I like the idea of the DV feature but as someone mentioned, wish it has a one button feature. Until then I am not going to bother with it unless I have to.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I like the idea of the DV feature but as someone mentioned, wish it has a one button feature. Until then I am not going to bother with it unless I have to.
I wonder if LESS people would use it if manufacturers had called it "Dynamic Compression", instead of "Dynamic Volume". :D

I have a Yamaha stereo mixer (see I do love Yamaha :D) for my karaoke (not a peep! :eek:) in my family room. The Yamaha mixer has this one-button feature called "Dynamic Compression". I love Yamaha for being honest here and not calling it "Dynamic Volume". It is what it is and it serves a great purpose. I use Dynamic Compression 100% of the time for karaoke (not a word! :eek:). :D
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I got you babe... She loves you yeh yeh yeh... Grandma got run over by a reindeer...
Why..................you...................... :D

Actually, I'm more into Hotel California, Every Breath You Take, Everything I Do (Brian Adams), You Know My Name (007 Casino Royale theme), Glory of Love (Peter Cetera), Take on Me (Aha), etc. ;) :D
 
fast fred

fast fred

Full Audioholic
If I ran Audyssey and Chose yes to DV, do I need to redo Audyssey and then select No to DV?

If above, then do I say Yes to D EQ? What do I set Eq to reference??

I always felt DV made the overall sound better & more full, especially the vocals, I didn't realize it compresses audio files from original content sources

I always chose yes to DV when running Audyssey
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
If I ran Audyssey and Chose yes to DV, do I need to redo Audyssey and then select No to DV?

If above, then do I say Yes to D EQ? What do I set Eq to reference??

I always felt DV made the overall sound better & more full, especially the vocals, I didn't realize it compresses audio files from original content sources

I always chose yes to DV when running Audyssey
No. You don’t have to run again. You can turn on/off at your leisure.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I wonder if LESS people would use it if manufacturers had called it "Dynamic Compression", instead of "Dynamic Volume". :D
Ha! I'll bet you're onto something here! Just like some folks don't like setting their big towers to "small" when using a sub!
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
DV off
D Eq off

M XT32 Reference

Listening volume 60db

If you want to play around with your bass give DEQ a try. It's easy enough to experiment. Check out the chart I posted in your thread to see what effects the different RLO settings have.
 
fast fred

fast fred

Full Audioholic
If you want to play around with your bass give DEQ a try. It's easy enough to experiment. Check out the chart I posted in your thread to see what effects the different RLO settings have.
What's a typical reference level offset set to if I put dynamic EQ on?
 
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