Denon's separates are here!

[highfihoney]

If someone offered you a free $14K Denon or a $14K Krell, you would take the Denon?

Just out of curiosity, that's all.

Right now this very minute i'd take the Denon without an ounce of hesitation,what were all looking at when were talking about this Denon is every wealthy home theater owners wet dream.

Believe me fellas,this thing will be on back order.

 

[highfihoney]

Yes, I think it will be a tremendous high-performing product. I just don't think it will sell @ $14,000/pr, but I could be 100% wrong.

To people like you & me $14K is surely a ton of cash,to the people who will buy these units its not an issue of importance.

Ive been in my dealers store before & watched him reel in a big whale to the tune of around $100K,they talked about alot of different stuff & not once was any price discussed,mostly just how soon can i get it,are you sure there's nothing better & when can you install it.

 

[mike c]

plus the fact that 14k is SRP. there's some haggle room in there, if not more than the regular receivers.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

To people like you & me $14K is surely a ton of cash,to the people who will buy these units its not an issue of importance.

Ive been in my dealers store before & watched him reel in a big whale to the tune of around $100K,they talked about alot of different stuff & not once was any price discussed,mostly just how soon can i get it,are you sure there's nothing better & when can you install it.

Damn Rich People!

I wish I were one!

 

[billy p]

Damn Rich People!

I wish I were one!

Would it not be nice to walk into a store and not look at the price or even care.lol

 

[majorloser]

Would it not be nice to walk into a store and not look at the price or even care.lol

These kinds of audio stores come to you. There's no need for price tags.

 

[itschris]

My question to you would be what did you end up buying,if you had to decide on what approach you were taking i can gaurantee you that you were never part of the target buyer.

The type buyer targeted by Denon dont price shop,they walk into a store (or call) & have the best stuff set up in their home,most of the time when they are not even home,also Denon's target buyer would be buyers of an age that they are old enough to remember when Denon was know as an elite brand,not an affordable brand.

You assume that price is the key driver in my decision making. It's not. Granted I like a good deal as much as anyone, but I'm fortunate enough that I can spend a good amount of money if I need or want to. However, that doesn't mean you have to or that you don't recognize or cannot be happy with less than the top of the line. My point was, that in considering high end equipment I doubt few people would ever lump Denon with the $14K peer group.

 

[highfihoney]

You assume that price is the key driver in my decision making.

This is where your wrong,its also where you dont understand,price has zero to do with the equasition,the ONLY thing that matters to big spenders is having the best of everything,the name being Denon is not part of the deal either,it could just as easily be Krell or Mcintosh,its about whats best right now,as soon as some other manufacturer comes out with better gear next year that Denon stuff is gonna be given away as a tip to the guy who installs the next big thing.

What i pointed out to you was that a real big spender who will go after the Denon gear will never have the dilema that you had,where you had to decide on what approach to take,the only approach they have is this,do you have the best of everything & how soon can i get it.

 

[ParkerAudio]

I used to be about buying the best of everything, but then I realized that I only own the best for about 2 months, and then I have to go back out and buy the best again, and then it just becomes too much work.
What also sucks is when better things are being produced at a lower price within a few months of you buying the best at 1/2 the price, due to the technology boom happening in this field. Makes you feel like a sucker.
Yeah, there are the Britney Spears types that get $700,000 a month and spend every dime, but even people with insane amounts of money have their limits. However, I am not saying this Denon unit isn't within the limits.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

These kinds of audio stores come to you. There's no need for price tags.

I would not know how it is, but do you mean they actually come to you and ask you if you want to buy these things?

How would they know if you are rich?

 

[ParkerAudio]

Yep, Amway comes right to your door.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

...as soon as some other manufacturer comes out with better gear next year that Denon stuff is gonna be given away as a tip to the guy who installs the next big thing.

Damn, I need to put out an Ad: "Will install new Expensive Audio Gears for Rich People at No Charge."

 

[Bluesmoke]

I would not know how it is, but do you mean they actually come to you and ask you if you want to buy these things?

How would they know if you are rich?

"Hey Paul Pierce, come check out this home theater these guys built for me in my mansion"

"Really, Kevin Garnett, I'm not into movies or anything"

"Just come to my place and check it out. We can even play NBA live on a big screen"

2 Hours Later.

"Wow, Kevin! That is so cool, who did all this?"

"A friend of mine refered me to this guy who installs these things. He brings in all the stuff you need and hooks it up. I have any problems, he comes in and takes care of it"

"What's his number? I want what you have"



The high end installer guys who work with Pro sports teams pull crazy amounts of money, because word gets around the dressing room.

 

[gene]

Damn, I need to put out an Ad: "Will install new Expensive Audio Gears for Rich People at No Charge."

Back when I was a poor college student, I worked for a high end audio shop repairing equipment and installing at client houses. WE sold McIntosh. We never charged for install b/c the profits were so good, we didn't need to.

Today the margins in most mass market stuff, especially displays are extremely thin. So I applaud companies that can still offer the very best equipment at not such a significant markup that people wouldn't be willing to pay for. This is high end.

 

[itschris]

This is where your wrong,its also where you dont understand,price has zero to do with the equasition,the ONLY thing that matters to big spenders is having the best of everything,the name being Denon is not part of the deal either,it could just as easily be Krell or Mcintosh,its about whats best right now,as soon as some other manufacturer comes out with better gear next year that Denon stuff is gonna be given away as a tip to the guy who installs the next big thing.

What i pointed out to you was that a real big spender who will go after the Denon gear will never have the dilema that you had,where you had to decide on what approach to take,the only approach they have is this,do you have the best of everything & how soon can i get it.

I totally get your point, but you're missing mine. There is no dilemma. While I'm not stupid rich like some other people I know, I do have the money to buy what I want. The difference between someone who's "into" this stuff vs someone's who's not. One of my coworkers has about $200K probably more into a theater in his house. He has no clue what he has let alone how to work it. He has a creston remote all custom programed so all he only ahs to push a button. When we first started talking about his theater, I asked what kind of equipment he had. He told me Sony. It was Krell. He told me he has a big screen... he does... but he has one of the nicer Runco projectors. He hasn't a clue and he doesn't care. His neighbor who completed thier build out project knew everything about everything and bought equipment that "made sense" to him. He didn't waste a dime on anything frivolus.

It's not about money or if you can spend it. It's about what's important to you. If you're somewhat in tune with our hobby, I don't think you'd ever consider paying $14k for Denon. Don'e get me wrong, they make fantastic stuff, but at that price range you're thinking of different names.

 

[majorloser]

It's not about money or if you can spend it. It's about what's important to you. If you're somewhat in tune with our hobby, I don't think you'd ever consider paying $14k for Denon. Don'e get me wrong, they make fantastic stuff, but at that price range you're thinking of different names.

But if you're a smart high end custom installer who has a good client list, you'll gladly install something new in your BIG client's house as a "trial". You're in the business to make your clients want the "latest and greatest". Custom installation is a service business, not sales. You want the client to understand that regular system calibrations and checkups aren't just services you offer, but what they need to consider as necessary for their system to stay in top performance. During these regular calibration visits is where you show them what's new.

Besides, these clients are your best advertisers. The big money clients always want to "one up" their neighbor and show off the toys.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

...I don't think you'd ever consider paying $14k for Denon. Don't get me wrong, they make fantastic stuff, but at that price range you're thinking of different names.

Perhaps it will make a little more sense if we find out exactly what's inside these Denon amps & pre-pros.

Perhaps the Denon amp has 10 mono-blocks with 10 toroidal transformers.
Perhaps every single channel of the pre-pros has its own power supply and is completely separated from one another, providing a crosstalk of > 120 dB.
Perhaps the preamp section has like 10 separate "Mono-Analog-Line-Stage-Discrete-Class A Topology Design" channels. Or something.

The THD is like 0.005% compared to 0.05% of the Denon 5808. Is that at 1-watt or 150-watts? Is it from 20 Hz - 20 kHz or just at 1 kHz?

I guess we need more info.

 

[satish536]

Perhaps it will make a little more sense if we find out exactly what's inside these Denon amps & pre-pros.

Perhaps the Denon amp has 10 mono-blocks with 10 toroidal transformers.
Perhaps every single channel of the pre-pros has its own power supply and is completely separated from one another, providing a crosstalk of > 120 dB.
Perhaps the preamp section has like 10 separate "Mono-Analog-Line-Stage-Discrete-Class A Topology Design" channels. Or something.

The THD is like 0.005% compared to 0.05% of the Denon 5808. Is that at 1-watt or 150-watts? Is it from 20 Hz - 20 kHz or just at 1 kHz?

I guess we need more info.

+1
We need more detailed information.

 

[3db]

Right now this very minute i'd take the Denon without an ounce of hesitation,what were all looking at when were talking about this Denon is every wealthy home theater owners wet dream.

Believe me fellas,this thing will be on back order.

Not me. I'd take Bryston, Anthem or Simaudio's Moom series over Denon. You know what they say about wet dreams. One man's meat is another's poison.

 

[jostenmeat]

I don't know about the features involved with such gear, but the persons that will buy these Denons will invariably want everything in one box, 2-ch sq, multi-ch sq, all the latest HT, stream LAC, AAC Lossless, WMA Lossless, WAV, Pro Audyssey, 6x HDMI 1.3 1080p switching, DD TrueHD, DD Plus, DTS-HD, and DTS-HD-MA, THX Ultra 2 Plus, fully balanced....

Hey, I dont need all this that's for sure, but I think some of you might not realize what it does offer.

Pricing Ive read for other "higher-end", new Simaudio will be 10k, the new Classe will be 15-20k, new Krell $18,500, and new Meridian perhaps 20-25k.

The Denon pre is coming in at 60 lbs, more than most receivers with a multi-ch amp section.

The amp Ive read will do 500w x5 at 4 ohms when bridged.

Again, this is totally overkill for myself, but for those who want the "best" without spending 20k.... maybe its not such a "ridiculous, stupid" thing after all. -jostenmeat