Denon or Onkyo?

[gliz]

I have not had a lick of trouble with my Onkyo 605. It does run hot though so it sits atop my rack so that it can breathe. Amps run hot, most anyway so dont see what the issue is unless you dont give the thing room to brathe. Anyway, that is my 2 cents

 

[Pyrrho]

First of all, I do come from Krypton, so I do have super hearing powers to discern these differences.

Second of all, excuse me, but the Denon DVD-3800BDCI has a SNR of -125dB per owners manual, and they are carved in stone.

Thirdly, those SNR numbers (-107dBA & -110dBA) come from Home Theater Magazine Website per HTM lab measurements.

So there.

I looked at pdf manuals from the manufacturers' sites for the numbers I quoted. It was via line level input. So you can read for yourself what I read.

As for measurements, it is totally understandable that they would be different from (and hopefully, better than) the claimed specifications.

 

[lsiberian]

I have not had a lick of trouble with my Onkyo 605. It does run hot though so it sits atop my rack so that it can breathe. Amps run hot, most anyway so dont see what the issue is unless you dont give the thing room to brathe. Anyway, that is my 2 cents

Get a fan hehe. Actually true amps can stay stone cold. But we could all use more heat.

 

[Shock]

Everyone comes out to talk about problems but few come out to talk about the positives. I've had no issues for a month now and really love my receiver. Of course if it's kind enough to fail after warranty I guess i will just need a better one Can't pass up a reason to upgrade.

I'd want to know what the negatives of a product are before I hear the positives. That way I can pass on it and just pick Pioneer......

 

[TwisterZ]

IMHO unless you have done a lot of acoustic work on your room the noise floor of the room is much higher than your electronics.

lsiberian, I love your Tag line. I have been doing small upgrades for over 45 years now.

DON"T buy a reciever that does not have Dolby TruHD and DTS master audio, back in the day I bought Dolby ProLogic 6 months before digital came out and it took a long time to recover from that mistake.

 

[lsiberian]

I'd want to know what the negatives of a product are before I hear the positives. That way I can pass on it and just pick Pioneer......

Pioneer is fine if you are good with a soldering iron. My dad had a receiver from them that had bad soldering lol.

 

[rnatalli]

I'm curious why the OP isn't considering a newer HK. With the December firmware update, they're good units.

 

[lsiberian]

I'm curious why the OP isn't considering a newer HK. With the December firmware update, they're good units.

They are not very good for matching the colors of most components. And the fact they had a firmware issue in the first place is problematic.

They are great amps sound wise, but reliability is a concern for me. That's why I avoid them.

 

[highfigh]

The 602? At least get the 606.

But if you love yourself you will get this

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR705/Onkyo/TX-SR705-THX-100w-x-7ch-Theater-Receiver-BLACK/1.html

everyone know Onkyo is better than Denon Why do you think I own Onkyo products. LOL. In reality go for the best deal. Either brand will work just fine.

What, exactly, is the reasoning behind your crusade against Denon, other than the manual wasn't written by someone whose first language is English? If it's not because of the specs (which are virtually identical) or the sound quality (both are excellent), it must be due to the way they setup, because anything with discreet commands can be operated by ANY universal remote if the remote is the main reason.

 

[highfigh]

Someone just got told. What's a warranty for other than breaking?

Oh, I don't know- there's warranty fraud, warranty abuse, voided warranty, extended warranty. It's a versatile concept, IMO.

 

[highfigh]

I think so.

I hope so.

I simplest terms, it's the audible noise or hissing sound you hear, instead of the music.

This is my experience.

Acurus RL-11 preamp & 200X3 amp - suppose to have SNR of -95dBA. With just the amp on, no hissing sound. But when the RL-11 was on, I heard hissing sounds.

Denon PM2000 - suppose to have SNR of > 107dB. But I heard hissing sound.

Denon's very first Pre-Pro (before the AVP-A1) - suppose to have SNR of 100dB. But I heard A LOT of hissing sound from the surround speakers.

Denon AVR-5308CI - measured SNR per Home Theater Mag to be -110dB. No hissing sounds.

I've read that the Parasound P3 preamp also has hissing sounds, but the Model 2100 preamp does not have hissing sound. The 2100 preamp has better SNR per spec.

I heard that Emotiva is pretty quiet - no hissing sounds at all.

Do you hear any hissing on your speakers?

Whatever noise you heard came from the source, not the preamp. If the power amp had the same S/N for all channels, you didn't hear it from that, either. 107dB is inaudible unless your ear is extremely close to the speaker and you're in an extremely quiet room.

 

[lsiberian]

What, exactly, is the reasoning behind your crusade against Denon, other than the manual wasn't written by someone whose first language is English? If it's not because of the specs (which are virtually identical) or the sound quality (both are excellent), it must be due to the way they setup, because anything with discreet commands can be operated by ANY universal remote if the remote is the main reason.

Was said in Jest hence the In reality they make very good receivers and are an excellent choice. I would have no problem owning and or using a Denon receiver, but I do think when you have equivalent quality then you have to break the tie someway. Price would be my first tie breaker and the accessories4less deals on Onkyo products are extremely good. I'm sure Denon has similar deals. In reality people would be fine with any of the amps recommended on the site.

 

[lsiberian]

Oh, I don't know- there's warranty fraud, warranty abuse, voided warranty, extended warranty. It's a versatile concept, IMO.

breaking a warranty is generally considered voiding it in my area. And I have no problem opening up and working on electronics.

 

[Rob Babcock]

I've owned four Denon receivers over the years and really liked all of them. For my money, if I ever end up using a receiver again it'll be a Denon. That said, all the top companies are building good equipment and most of them have very similar features. Back when I used a receiver I really loved Denon's "Personal Memory Plus," 5/7CH Stereo & Alpha24 but those are just my preferences. Reliability-wise I was pretty pleased...I had a 3802 that crapped out (rear channels died) and the unit was replaced with a NIB one under warranty.

 

[Seth=L]

The 602? At least get the 606.

But if you love yourself you will get this

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR705/Onkyo/TX-SR705-THX-100w-x-7ch-Theater-Receiver-BLACK/1.html

everyone know Onkyo is better than Denon Why do you think I own Onkyo products. LOL. In reality go for the best deal. Either brand will work just fine.

If he loves himself the TX-SR805 is the top choice for under $1000, and it can be had for far less than $1000. It's a mammoth receiver with all the connections most audio video gurus would ever need. It needs room to breath, and possibly outboard quiet fans to operate it's best.

 

[jamie2112]

Onkyo better than Denon? Hmmm not so sure about that there bud.....

 

[highfigh]

Onkyo better than Denon? Hmmm not so sure about that there bud.....

Onkyo makes good stuff and they were one of the first companies to make a high current output receiver. Also, they had a receiver that wasn't for AV that had a second zone output, at least 10 and maybe 15 years ago. Back in the '70s and early '80s, they weren't really special but they were decent -definitely better than many major brands. I don't have a lot of direct experience with their equipment but what I have listened to, sounded very good. My impression of Denon, having sold and installed it for quite a while, is that their receivers sound less like receivers and more like separates, if you know what I mean. I did a fair sized system a while back and staged eveerything here, so I wouldn't have to set it up at the client's house and so I wouldn't have any surprises. First, I connected it to my system, which includes a Conrad Johnson power amp, and I thought it was probably the best sounding receiver I have listened to. One of these days, if I can get one of my distributors to understand that having a demo space is a good idea and doesn't just tie up inventory and create used equipment, I'll be able to do a direct A/B comparison, because they sell both of rhese brands.

Personally, I think people ought to listen and decide if it sounds good to them. Switching back and forth creates a situation where doubt is more important than actual sound- "Is everything exactly the same from receiver to speaker, or is something different that may be causing one to sound better?" If they aren't going through a switching system, the amount of time needed for making the switch invalidates the test, IMO.

 

[highfigh]

If there's one thing that I have learned in my 30+ years in the audio business, it's that audiophiles are incredibly neurotic. "I have the best system. Oh, no! I think I heard something that shouldn't be there. I'll spend a month finding out if I did, what it was and how I can eliminate it. Maybe I didn't hear anything, after all. Or, did I? Oh, no! I don't have the best system anymore! I need a new amp. Maybe if I buy new speakers, it'll be better. Well, that didn't do it- maybe my interconnects need re-biasing. Nope- I think I need to fix my acoustics. There- perf....Crap!"

 

[lsiberian]

If he loves himself the TX-SR805 is the top choice for under $1000, and it can be had for far less than $1000. It's a mammoth receiver with all the connections most audio video gurus would ever need. It needs room to breath, and possibly outboard quiet fans to operate it's best.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR905/Onkyo/-TX-NR905-THX-Ultra2-140w-x-7ch-HDMI-Receiver-BLACK/1.html

The 905 is only 900. Still under 1000 for a top of the line Onkyo receiver. Pretty good.

 

[lsiberian]

Onkyo better than Denon? Hmmm not so sure about that there bud.....

Again was said in jest. But I do prefer there products. Call it years of use. I have had an Onkyo receiver that lasted decades. I think either way you can't go wrong. Maybe someday I'll just have them both just to make sure. JK In the end it's still the speakers that matter most.