Agreed, by the way, I am quite sure my Anthem potentially may actually sounds better potentially than the Denon it replaces, but it could potentially due to the fact that I might have been potentially influenced by knowing that it is "separate" and I paid much more than 3X for it. There is no end to chasing sound quality as we all could potentially find one sounding better, warmer, punchier, musical....than another..., and all Yamaha avrs sound too bright, like crap, no one can tell me what I potentially hear so don't argue, just accept the facts!