Dayton Measured in Stereophile. What, What

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ImcLoud

ImcLoud

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I own these and they are really nice sounding speakers, IMO this should be the go to surround for low budget systems, and a great low powered budget stereo option, my son runs these with a dayton apa150 {he turns it up about 3/4's max, but it sounds great plugged rite into his laptop....}
 
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Dennis Murphy

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zieglj01

zieglj01

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While they tend to be somewhat popular - I for sure will pass. The big treble dip
and the bass response, is a turn off for me. > With some deals on Craiglist and
Ebay, and close-out pricing on the Pioneer BS21 - I would spend a little more.
 
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slipperybidness

slipperybidness

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While they tend to be somewhat popular - I for sure will pass. The big treble dip
and the bass response, is a turn off for me. > With some deals on Craiglist and
Ebay, and close-out pricing on the Pioneer BS21 - I would spend a little more.
Sure, but these have their uses. Also, on sale for $30 right now. For a garage or other non-critical listening, it doesn't look too bad.
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

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They are $15 each, for an inexpensive bookshelf system they sound really good, I dont think if you wanted a set of bookshelfs for $30 you couldn't complain about these... I'm sure someone will spend $30 and then complain about them not being up to their standard but for me, its a good surround driver or low powered 2 channel rig..
 
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markw

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I've got a pair. I've had 'em ever since the ype about them first hit about two years ago.

For the price they are unbeatable. Perhaps the go-to speaker for a starter HT setup, what with a $100 Dayton sub. For under$250 to've got a setup that will beat almost any HTIB system.

I bought them in to use in my bedroom two-channel music system with an older (but decent) DPL receiver. At first I was impressed but after a few days I found it was lacking something. The mid-range seemed to be both weak and yet overpowering in some ranges. Now, I know i'm asking a lot from a pair of $40 speakers but, for my tastes, even for the price, they didn't make it in the long run for semi-critical listenig. Now, for a casual listener, a starter system for a newbie, a garage, or party cellar, that's another story...

I do admire their not even trying to do deep bass. That makes 'em perfect for mating with a sub for a modest HT system.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply that these were great speakers. I was just noting that if you have a non-existent budget or needed some beater speakers, I doubt you will find anything better for $30.
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

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Well, you shouldn't expect much for $40. And the measurements indicate you don't in fact get much. Those are pretty problematic measurements in every domain--on-axis FR, Off Axis, cabinet resonance, and waterfall.
Mod challenge!:D
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

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I could probably get them sounding like $140 speakers with a $100 mod.
I think you could get them sounding like a $145 speakers easily for that amount!:sly:

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Dennis Murphy

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I think you could get them sounding like a $145 speakers easily for that amount!:sly:

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I actually ordered me up a pair. With my wholesale pricing and the sale price, they cost less than the PE speaker wire I've been using. The main reason was to check my measurements against John A's. That should make a good reference point to make sure my measurements are accurate, subject to sample-to-sample variations in the Dayton speaker. But I'll see whether there's anything cost-effective that can be done to smooth out the response and deaden the cabinet.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

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I actually ordered me up a pair. With my wholesale pricing and the sale price, they cost less than the PE speaker wire I've been using. The main reason was to check my measurements against John A's. That should make a good reference point to make sure my measurements are accurate, subject to sample-to-sample variations in the Dayton speaker. But I'll see whether there's anything cost-effective that can be done to smooth out the response and deaden the cabinet.
Glad you bought a pair - I have not bought speakers for a while. I was thinking about buying a pair
and sending them to you. I guess I will look for something else to play with.:)

The Cambridge S30 is still holding up good.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I actually ordered me up a pair. With my wholesale pricing and the sale price, they cost less than the PE speaker wire I've been using. The main reason was to check my measurements against John A's. That should make a good reference point to make sure my measurements are accurate, subject to sample-to-sample variations in the Dayton speaker. But I'll see whether there's anything cost-effective that can be done to smooth out the response and deaden the cabinet.
Kudos. I really like that you make world-class speakers AND give back to the DIY community. That seems very rare in the industry. It shows that you are really passionate about your work.

Now I just need to find a good reason to pick up a pair of Phils....
 
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Dennis Murphy

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I got my B652's today. The Fed Ex dude had a smile on his face, so I knew these puppies didn't weigh as much as my Philharmonics. So far I've been able to listen to them, measure the system response, and examine the innards. How do they sound? On simple material that doesn't have a lot of strong output in the 4 kHz region, quite good. There obviously is no baffle step compensation, so the midrange is too forward, but it doesn't have a nasal or awwwwk coloration, which is what I was fearing. When the going gets tougher--more complex material with triangles, flutes, violins--it gets really painful. There is an obvious lower treble resonance that has all the hallmarks of woofer breakup. The highs are there, sort of--there's output at the top, but not a lot of impact lower down. I can see why some people would think they deliver the goods for $40/pr, but they certainly aren't serious reproducers of anything bordering on demanding. The bass isn't boomy--there just isn't very much of it. I measured both samples on-axis, off-axis horizontally and vertically, and with and without the grills. It really didn't make much difference. The response up to 4 kHz is quite smooth, although with a rising profile due to the lack of baffle step compensation. But then there is a sharp resonant peak due to woofer breakup, and a severe dip due either to destructive interference between the woofer and tweeter, or just a gap in their response. I pretty much knew what I would find when I took the woofer out. There is no low pass filter on the woofer, so it just runs free, and is free to break up. There is a single NPE cap on the tweeter--about the smallest and cheapest I've ever seen. It was so small I couldn't read the value. You were expecting a real crossover for $40 list, $30 on sale? Not likely. The cabinet is neatly finished, but very light duty and with no bracing (duh). I've attached a representative on-axis plot. It has the same profile as the Stereophile plot, but the dip between the woofer and tweeter is much deeper, and the tweeter ouput is lower. Both of my samples measured identically, and although it's always possible that my mic is off my one dB up or down, I'm confident that my measurement is basically what you get. I can't explain why Stereophile John got a smoother response. (If my mic were off far enough to explain that, you all would have cast me off to a desert island long ago. Along with all the other people whose measurements calibrate with mine.) Tomorrow I'll measure the individual drivers and see whether an inexpensive crossover improvement can turn these into an acceptably accurate budgeSNAG-006.pngt speaker.
 
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Nuance AH

Audioholic General
Looks like the Phil monitors have some competition! :p
Oh snap! LOL - good one! :D

Thanks for posting that, Dennis. That response is truly atrocious, but what do you expect for so little money? Do keep us posted!
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I have to ask, how could they make a $20 speaker? That's so cheap it's almost like you are stealing it.
 
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