Danley DTS-10, or other?

J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
mini-update: I successfully loaded my first preset, where I used a +4db shelf centered at 30hz, and then boosted some more with EQ at 20/22/24/26/28/30. I started with +3db at 20, and successively lower by .5 for the remaining. I put my receiver back at -13.5 or whatever it was. The shelf flattens at about 67hz. My brief testing was interesting, albeit with great trepidation because of how late it was. I am going to boost back the receiver gain some more, maybe 1.5-2 db, and try again, where I might have to lower the Crown's EQ boosts (or leave them be). By adding the shelf, but reducing by 4.5 overall in the receiver, I think I am now relatively lacking from about 45-75 hz, but OTOH I didn't get to stretch the system's legs.

I wonder if I can rename my presets, instead of "preset X" or whatever. It's very easy! Wayne from my y splitter thread really helped me a lot with the y input setup. That saved me from a lot of potential pain. The manual doesn't really explain what it does, for me anyways, and I'm too scared to hurt anything to experiment without understanding what's going on.

Oh yeah, I forgot, Midnight, you know what the heck the sub synth does for me? Of course, I had to remove the black tape from display, and reapply tint. After cycling power, I was happy to see that the Crown does default back to my last chosen preset (otherwise, ugh!). You were absolutely right about the speakons: after I use them, that's all I would want to use. Safer, impossible to have strands or even bananas shorting each other, easier. I think they should be standard on consumer amplifiers! :D I have never yet triggered the Crown fan AFAIK. BTW, I know they are stackable, and the vents/fans are plenty, but if I installed rubber/vinyl feet on the bottom, that can't possibly make it worse . . . could it. . . only help, right? Just curious.

rmk, I was wondering if you could possibly expound on your thoughts with Audyssey Dyn vol/eq? I can see myself trying to find a second preset for slightly lower volume than what I typically use the system at. So I started wondering if my attempt at that would basically be a caveman approximation for what that Audyssey tech can do already. Thanks.

Here is a really awful screenshot of my first mouse clicking, where 3hz never comes out to 3hz (this is not my preset, and I did add a shelf). But, the 2hz intervals do, strange . . . The page below does not show what I can do with input setups, xover setups, etc. Very cool, totally free software.

 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks for the update!

Oh yeah, I forgot, Midnight, you know what the heck the sub synth does for me?
Subharmonic synthesizer. They add information a harmonic lower than the input signal. Basically, takes bass and makes it deep bass. It certainly isn't audiophile purist, but I actually use subharmonic synths fairly often to fatten low end if I have the headroom. Play with it and see what you think. If you have some old recordings that you feel need some low end, you can have a sub-synth on one of your presets to fatten the low end. Again, not audiophile (which I'm not haha), but, I find it a useful thing to have in the toolbox. :)


You were absolutely right about the speakons: after I use them, that's all I would want to use. Safer, impossible to have strands or even bananas shorting each other, easier. I think they should be standard on consumer amplifiers! :D
I agree, but I think cable costs is a big factor maybe? Not sure...

I have never yet triggered the Crown fan AFAIK. BTW, I know they are stackable, and the vents/fans are plenty, but if I installed rubber/vinyl feet on the bottom, that can't possibly make it worse . . . could it. . . only help, right? Just curious.
They are front to back vented amps, made to be stacked, so rubber feet really won't make a difference. If your trying to protect your furniture from the rack ears it certainly won't hurt though!
 
rmk

rmk

Audioholic Chief
rmk, I was wondering if you could possibly expound on your thoughts with Audyssey Dyn vol/eq? I can see myself trying to find a second preset for slightly lower volume than what I typically use the system at. So I started wondering if my attempt at that would basically be a caveman approximation for what that Audyssey tech can do already. Thanks.
I don't use Dynamic Volume but if I used the system for Cable TV viewing I might. I have used Dynamic EQ and it seems to bring the bass up to a nice balanced level even when I am running the system a lower volumes. It is kind of like cruise control (works great with minimal variables) and is no substitute for good old EQing ;)
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Question: If I EQ the one channel, with Y-input setup, I can safely assume that the EQ will be applied to BOTH channels, correct? I am just being paranoid. I also realize how poorly I've understood what's going on with connections, as even with recent configuration, I didn't have to worry about "channel 2" (assuming that the link out will share its own EQ settings . . . )

Thanks, I'm sure it's fine, but it is important to me know for absolutely sure.

Thanks for the update!
Hey my pleasure.

Subharmonic synthesizer. They add information a harmonic lower than the input signal. Basically, takes bass and makes it deep bass. It certainly isn't audiophile purist, but I actually use subharmonic synths fairly often to fatten low end if I have the headroom. Play with it and see what you think. If you have some old recordings that you feel need some low end, you can have a sub-synth on one of your presets to fatten the low end. Again, not audiophile (which I'm not haha), but, I find it a useful thing to have in the toolbox. :)
I'm sure you may not know, but "a harmonic", and not multiple harmonics? And I think harmonics are only upward anyways, but I suppose the freq(s) chosen could make the true fundamental become a harmonic of the synthesized tones. I wonder which "harmonic" though, because for instance, an octave would be really low.

Regardless, I hope to play with it. :D

I agree, but I think cable costs is a big factor maybe? Not sure...
I cannot say for the amp implementation, but I honestly imagine it can't be bad. If anything, it's only physical space that I can see being an issue, and that's only with receivers; consumer separate amps would have plenty of space.

Otherwise, I find speakons to be cheaper! They cost be about $3 (sometimes less) for either a cable or plate plug. My Unique locking plugs were about that apiece. But, I need TWO of those for a stereo connection, and with a speakon I only need one. Then if I actually used all 4 poles all the time, halve the cost again. If we actually used 8pole speakons . . . well, of course, there would be some inconveniences with that. Sure, Monoprice plugs are cheaper than mine, but they're not locking. GLS might be the best bang for buck in locking bananas, depending on the price found.

They are front to back vented amps, made to be stacked, so rubber feet really won't make a difference. If your trying to protect your furniture from the rack ears it certainly won't hurt though!
I understand, and thought you might say something like that, but I want to keep the chances high that my fan will never be triggered, because I'm afraid of how loud it will be! :eek:
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Question: If I EQ the one channel, with Y-input setup, I can safely assume that the EQ will be applied to BOTH channels, correct? I am just being paranoid. I also realize how poorly I've understood what's going on with connections, as even with recent configuration, I didn't have to worry about "channel 2" (assuming that the link out will share its own EQ settings . . . )
Yes (and fyi, if you bridge that amp, everything is controlled with channel 1)



I'm sure you may not know, but "a harmonic", and not multiple harmonics? And I think harmonics are only upward anyways, but I suppose the freq(s) chosen could make the true fundamental become a harmonic of the synthesized tones. I wonder which "harmonic" though, because for instance, an octave would be really low.
Not sure. I think it's an octave below, at least thats how the dbX units work...and that's the same company as Crown so likely similar or the same circuits. Not really sure...good question! I'll do some sniffing around, I'm interested.

I cannot say for the amp implementation, but I honestly imagine it can't be bad. If anything, it's only physical space that I can see being an issue, and that's only with receivers; consumer separate amps would have plenty of space.

Otherwise, I find speakons to be cheaper! They cost be about $3 (sometimes less) for either a cable or plate plug. My Unique locking plugs were about that apiece. But, I need TWO of those for a stereo connection, and with a speakon I only need one. Then if I actually used all 4 poles all the time, halve the cost again. If we actually used 8pole speakons . . . well, of course, there would be some inconveniences with that. Sure, Monoprice plugs are cheaper than mine, but they're not locking. GLS might be the best bang for buck in locking bananas, depending on the price found.
It's cheaper than the Advil I need to take after trying to connect a home theater using bare speaker wire, that's for sure. :D



I understand, and thought you might say something like that, but I want to keep the chances high that my fan will never be triggered, because I'm afraid of how loud it will be! :eek:
If the fan does turn on, its not super loud and it'll kick off once the temperature lowers again. I think if it does trigger, you'll find it to be pretty anticlimactic.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Yes (and fyi, if you bridge that amp, everything is controlled with channel 1)
Thanks! I will assume you know this for sure, and get to round two shortly. I am rearranging stuff (movie poster, another piece of art), since I had to remove corner trap to fit in sub already. Cleaned up dust too, heh.

I think I'm going to try a shelf, but at a higher point, maybe 40-45hz. I am for the moment thinking of leaving the receiver alone altogether, that way the default-mode of "DSP off" can be go to mode for "flat".
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I think perhaps my concern of whether the Y-input passes EQ might have to do something with the buttons that say "channel 1 bypassed" and "channel 2 bypassed". You can see them in the screenshot. I have them all unclicked (where it then says "bypass channel X", and it goes grey, no longer yellow). Well, maybe that does something with the whole EQ passing or not.

Then I figured out how to name my presets, weeee. While the name can be long enough, the amp only shows the first 7 characters. So, names such as "pant flapper", or "brown note" just won't fit. :p J/K, I'm naming them like SHELF30 or SHELF45. I don't know if mentioned it before, but I think there are something like 20 presets, which is pretty cool.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I am feeling your pain brother. I had to plug my sub into the wall when I got it. Why is this stuff so complicated?
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Midnight, I've received emails from two Crown tech reps, and you're correct indeed. Y input with MasterEQ affects both channels. If I want to EQ only one channel, it must be done with the amp's menu itself. The MasterEQ must be plugged into ch 1 for the signal to pass, if I understood correctly.

I really like the shelf at 45hz with a few demos. However, the much more palpable bass gives me much more anxiety. It just makes me feel funky.

I am feeling your pain brother. I had to plug my sub into the wall when I got it. Why is this stuff so complicated?
Here's your answer below. The pain really is not that bad. You have to understand, my greater paranoid stemmed from having two woofers in the same cabinet, firing out of phase. If I used two separate subs altogether, there would be no fear on my part of hurting the drivers somehow, and it would be much easier to tell if one was not being affected by EQ. My setup is rather particular, particularly for a first-timer.
Not necessarily. Since we are “hijacking” professional products for a residential application, we should not expect that they have been designed in a way that makes sense to us.

There’s no good reason for a pro amp to have the two channels automatically EQd the same in parallel mode. This is because a pro-audio amp is not typically used the same way that we’d use them in the home environment. For a PA system, it’s not uncommon for the two channels to be used for different applications. For one example, even with a single input from say, a mixing console, one output of the amp might go to a high frequency driver and the other to a midrange driver. Naturally, they would not be equalized the same.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Did John accidentally build himself into the sub? Haven't heard from him.
 
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