Confused as to where to start...

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unocname

Audiophyte
Hi guys, I am looking to make my first real speaker purchase and I am pretty lost. I have been into headphones for a while and have done a lot of research on that subject but now I want an upgrade from my audio engine A5s to a passive speaker, probably looking at one of those big bookshelf speakers that are like 18 inches or so or a regular pair a bookshelves. I could do floor standers but I am just worried if they will be viable if I move into an apartment in the near future.

Anyways, my budget is probably around 500-1000 dollars for the speakers. I have been pretty frustrated because unlike with headphones there are no good guides (that I have been able to find) that say like: at this price range here are some good recommendations and here are the pros and cons that you can use to narrow down the search based on your use case. Now, I get that there's just way more options but I thought at my lower price range there would be some stand-out speakers in terms of value for the money. Also, when you factor in old used speakers, it just gets 10x harder because to spot a deal I basically need to know the models and brands of which there are like a million... sorry for the rant.

Soooo where should I start? Are there some dope guides out there? Or do I need to go into some stores and just start demoing poop? Or maybe start off with some good brands and go from there?

Thanks!!
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
Most bookshelf speakers need a subwoofer to fill in the bottom end. Would you consider a subwoofer, or would you prefer finding a pair of bookshelfs with a bit more low end extension, even if you're still not quite reaching the lowest notes on a bass guitar?

Sent from my LG-VS980 using Forum Fiend v1.3.1.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
What speakers have you listened to already? You may consider them "poop" but at least it gives you some basis for comparison to start.

Some hints.

Remember, everything you read glorifying a speaker are just opinions. There are some big name speakers that I simply don't care for.

If you're considering a subwoofer (a wise move), then just concentrate on everything else. A sub just extends a speakers low end. It can't help anything else.

The better the sub, the better the bass. Stick to sub specialists.

Figure how much to allocate to sub/mains and be somewhat flexible. For $1000, you can do quite well for a two channel system

When buying off the internet (also a wise move), consider the consequences of returning what you don't like and what's required to do so. Likewise, the time limits and return shipping.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
First of all, welcome to Audioholics!
I have been pretty frustrated because unlike with headphones there are no good guides (that I have been able to find) that say like: at this price range here are some good recommendations and here are the pros and cons that you can use to narrow down the search based on your use case.
There's a good reason for the lack of simple guides to speaker shopping. Speakers really do vary widely in their sound and in their price. The cabinets alone can easily be the most expensive part of speakers. They aren't just cosmetic, the cabinet design and construction qualities play a distinct role in speaker sound quality. And I haven't mentioned the important role that a room plays in the overall sound of speakers. These aren't issues with headphone design.

Compared to electronic components, such as disc players, receivers, pre-amps, or amplifiers, speakers come with a much wider variety of performances and sound qualities. As a result, money spent well on speakers will go much farther in producing good overall sound quality than for any other audio component. Because there is such a variety of speaker styles and designs, it's not surprising that there is also a large variety of personal tastes among speaker buyers.

To directly answer your question, yes, it's time to start listening to a variety of different speakers in your price range. Bring your own music with you as you go listen. Other people can tell you what they prefer, but it works better if you learn what you yourself like or don't like. Just one hint, most people (myself included) like the sound of speakers with a frequency response that is as wide as possible and measures as flat as possible. As long as you keep with that, understand that spending more money can get you deeper bass response and speakers that sound "more detailed" without unpleasant sounding exaggerations or noise.

The price range you have chosen includes some truly excellent bookshelf speakers. Many people start out in price ranges lower than that, and I usually keep my silence. But I can name three bookshelf speakers, all roughly $900 per pair that in my opinion are as good sounding as anything else sold. They are all sold internet direct, and you will not find them in stores. But because they are built and sold directly by excellent speaker designers, you will get far more performance for your money than if you bought speakers sold by audio stores.

Salk SongSurround – Even though these are marketed as rear channel speakers for a surround sound system, these make excellent monitor speakers. They come in a variety of excellent veneer finishes.

Philharmonic Audio Philharmonitor – these are probably the best bang for the buck. Although they are temporarily not available, they might be worth waiting for.

Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 – These are similar looking and similar sounding (but not identical) to the Salk SongSurrounds. I'm more familiar with the above two speakers than these, but they are still an excellent option.
 
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Dennis Murphy

Audioholic General
Just a factual note. The factory-made Philharmonitors are indeed not available until the end of the year. Until then, I'm selling custom versions with cabinets made by Jim Salk or a local cabinet builder.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
No one can guarantee you anything - as far as a certain brand speaker is best for you.
However, there are a lot of nice speakers out there - the way to learn is to hear and
judge for yourself, regardless of retail or ID.

It comes down to what will float your boat.

If you want to check the used market - then look at the PSB Synochrony Two B
I have not listened to them - however the word is good.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-psb-synchrony-two-b-dark-cherry-2015-04-26-speakers-03817-chocorua-nh
 
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unocname

Audiophyte
Most bookshelf speakers need a subwoofer to fill in the bottom end. Would you consider a subwoofer, or would you prefer finding a pair of bookshelfs with a bit more low end extension, even if you're still not quite reaching the lowest notes on a bass guitar?

Sent from my LG-VS980 using Forum Fiend v1.3.1.
I would be open to either option, I like the idea of a bigger bookshelf but I'd be fine with one that had less low-end that I'd need a sub to get the best out of it although I could probably survive a bit without it.
 
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unocname

Audiophyte
What speakers have you listened to already? You may consider them "poop" but at least it gives you some basis for comparison to start.

Some hints.

Remember, everything you read glorifying a speaker are just opinions. There are some big name speakers that I simply don't care for.

If you're considering a subwoofer (a wise move), then just concentrate on everything else. A sub just extends a speakers low end. It can't help anything else.

The better the sub, the better the bass. Stick to sub specialists.

Figure how much to allocate to sub/mains and be somewhat flexible. For $1000, you can do quite well for a two channel system

When buying off the internet (also a wise move), consider the consequences of returning what you don't like and what's required to do so. Likewise, the time limits and return shipping.
I have heard some speakers but don't really remember which ones, the only ones I have extensive listening experience with are my audio engine A5s. As for "poop" I meant the more derogatory version of that word that I guess got changed to this in the forum. By that I didn't mean bad quality, just as a substitute for the word "stuff" lol. I would consider a sub, but yeah I'm just looking for under $1k for the speakers and then worry about the sub after depending how it sounds.
 
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unocname

Audiophyte
First of all, welcome to Audioholics!
There's a good reason for the lack of simple guides to speaker shopping. Speakers really do vary widely in their sound and in their price. The cabinets alone can easily be the most expensive part of speakers. They aren't just cosmetic, the cabinet design and construction qualities play a distinct role in speaker sound quality. And I haven't mentioned the important role that a room plays in the overall sound of speakers. These aren't issues with headphone design.

Compared to electronic components, such as disc players, receivers, pre-amps, or amplifiers, speakers come with a much wider variety of performances and sound qualities. As a result, money spent well on speakers will go much farther in producing good overall sound quality than for any other audio component. Because there is such a variety of speaker styles and designs, it's not surprising that there is also a large variety of personal tastes among speaker buyers.

To directly answer your question, yes, it's time to start listening to a variety of different speakers in your price range. Bring your own music with you as you go listen. Other people can tell you what they prefer, but it works better if you learn what you yourself like or don't like. Just one hint, most people (myself included) like the sound of speakers with a frequency response that is as wide as possible and measures as flat as possible. As long as you keep with that, understand that spending more money can get you deeper bass response and speakers that sound "more detailed" without unpleasant sounding exaggerations or noise.

The price range you have chosen includes some truly excellent bookshelf speakers. Many people start out in price ranges lower than that, and I usually keep my silence. But I can name three bookshelf speakers, all roughly $900 per pair that in my opinion are as good sounding as anything else sold. They are all sold internet direct, and you will not find them in stores. But because they are built and sold directly by excellent speaker designers, you will get far more performance for your money than if you bought speakers sold by audio stores.

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Thanks for the help! (also sorry about responding to each comment directly, not sure if I should have quoted everyone in one comment or if this is the best way because of notifications). Technically I started out in like the 300 price range with the audio engine A5s which is why I want to go up a bit to get a nice upgrade. I definitely plan on demoing as many speakers I can after reading responses here and on reddit and will look into the recommendations you gave. I am also considering the DIY route, the finalists look pretty good to me (googling Finalists DIY speakers will lead you to them if you haven't heard of them.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Thanks for the help! (also sorry about responding to each comment directly, not sure if I should have quoted everyone in one comment or if this is the best way because of notifications). Technically I started out in like the 300 price range with the audio engine A5s which is why I want to go up a bit to get a nice upgrade. I definitely plan on demoing as many speakers I can after reading responses here and on reddit and will look into the recommendations you gave. I am also considering the DIY route, the finalists look pretty good to me (googling Finalists DIY speakers will lead you to them if you haven't heard of them.
Well then, just concentrate on the first and last suggestions I mentioned.

Since you mentioned a fairly large 18" bookshelf, that made me think you were looking for substantial bass, ergo, my suggestions for figuring subwoofers into the equation. But, in this case, aside from the part on budget allocation, what I said about subs is valid.

So, you really haven't done any "serious" listening yet? Time to start.
 
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unocname

Audiophyte
Well then, just concentrate on the first and last suggestions I mentioned.

Since you mentioned a fairly large 18" bookshelf, that made me think you were looking for substantial bass, ergo, my suggestions for figuring subwoofers into the equation. But, in this case, aside from the part on budget allocation, what I said about subs is valid.

So, you really haven't done any "serious" listening yet? Time to start.

Yeah, I was thinking of getting some more bass in the speakers themselves but I am really not tying myself down to anything in particular.

No, haven't done any serious listening besides a few paradigm models in a store and a friends floor standers, I will definitely start soon, I plan on going to a place or 2 tomorrow!
 
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unocname

Audiophyte
No one can guarantee you anything - as far as a certain brand speaker is best for you.
However, there are a lot of nice speakers out there - the way to learn is to hear and
judge for yourself, regardless of retail or ID.

It comes down to what will float your boat.

If you want to check the used market - then look at the PSB Synochrony Two B
I have not listened to them - however the word is good.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-psb-synchrony-two-b-dark-cherry-2015-04-26-speakers-03817-chocorua-nh
Hey! Thanks for your rec, I actually bought those speakers, got them for $650

Now I need to find a way to power them, looking to spend like 200-300.

I was thinking the Rotel RB-1050 since I have the Rotel RC-1550 pre-amp so they could pair together nicely. Open to suggestions though!
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
Hey! Thanks for your rec, I actually bought those speakers, got them for $650

Now I need to find a way to power them, looking to spend like 200-300.

I was thinking the Rotel RB-1050 since I have the Rotel RC-1550 pre-amp so they could pair together nicely. Open to suggestions though!
That is cool.

The Rotel set up should be fine
 

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