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I suppose it was inevitable.....:confused:
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Ben's own comments section was shown in a video. They don't care about the CEO either. I know. I know. Murder isn't good, but nobody on either side cares.

It's more difficult though if say you have various health coverage options and you choose the lesser coverage. They keep saying it needs to be overhauled with universal or mixed, but my view is if it isn't for profit than I don't know what's better? Or are we gonna go into massive debt with govt funded? Is rationing real under universal healthcare?
 
Swerd

Swerd

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They keep saying it needs to be overhauled with universal or mixed, but my view is if it isn't for profit then I don't know what's better?
That sounds like a dyed-in-the-wool free market idea. Free markets only work when there is plenty of competition and the playing field is fair & level. What we now have is a clunky system that neither GOP nor Dems have enough votes to revise to their liking.

Yes, the whole Medicare health insurance system must be revised. But not if the GOP is in charge of the revision. Their goal is to eliminate Medicare altogether, leaving health insurance to greedy private businesses. Their mantra may be 'to get the government off of private business's back'. But their idea will allow the profits go to whoever swings the biggest club.

Do you remember what W said in 2005 after his 2nd inauguration (January 2005)? He said now that he was re-elected he had "some political capital". The first thing he wanted to spend that capital on was Medicare & Social Security revision. By March 2005 that idea was dead in the water – and so was W's second term. He rapidly became a lame duck president.
… Or are we gonna go into massive debt with govt funded? Is rationing real under universal healthcare?
We already have health care rationing now. The idea is to reign in that rationing. I don't know how to revise Medicare. But making health insurance universal, or making it profitable for private business are both extreme solutions. We need something that works, and what we now have is far from it.
I suppose it was inevitable.....:confused:
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Ben's own comments section was shown in a video. They don't care about the CEO either. I know. I know. Murder isn't good, but nobody on either side cares.
Luigi Mangione might have been onto a good idea, but his way of solving the problem was highly flawed. Maybe prosecutors should make a deal with him. Let him off easy if he hunts down Alex Jones.
 
Trell

Trell

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It's more difficult though if say you have various health coverage options and you choose the lesser coverage. They keep saying it needs to be overhauled with universal or mixed, but my view is if it isn't for profit than I don't know what's better? Or are we gonna go into massive debt with govt funded? Is rationing real under universal healthcare?
US spend more than twice as much on health care as part of GDP as comparable countries but with very poor results (moneywise or otherwise) on many statistics for the general population. Keyword: General. There are many in US getting world class health care, but many don't.

One of the statistics is life expectancy at birth that is for US 73.5 years as of 2021 statistics to Social Security Fund (for males).

And universal health/single payer health care don't approve everything as it costs money and other resources. Here in Sweden there are copayments for healthcare as well as otherwise it would be abused.
 
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I hope the conservative influencer goes in sharp decline. :rolleyes:

People are finally figuring out Ben Shapiro's initials

 
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TankTop5

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That sounds like a dyed-in-the-wool free market idea. Free markets only work when there is plenty of competition and the playing field is fair & level. What we now have is a clunky system that neither GOP nor Dems have enough votes to revise to their liking.

Yes, the whole Medicare health insurance system must be revised. But not if the GOP is in charge of the revision. Their goal is to eliminate Medicare altogether, leaving health insurance to greedy private businesses. Their mantra may be 'to get the government off of private business's back'. But their idea will allow the profits go to whoever swings the biggest club.

Do you remember what W said in 2005 after his 2nd inauguration (January 2005)? He said now that he was re-elected he had "some political capital". The first thing he wanted to spend that capital on was Medicare & Social Security revision. By March 2005 that idea was dead in the water – and so was W's second term. He rapidly became a lame duck president.
We already have health care rationing now. The idea is to reign in that rationing. I don't know how to revise Medicare. But making health insurance universal, or making it profitable for private business are both extreme solutions. We need something that works, and what we now have is far from it.
Luigi Mangione might have been onto a good idea, but his way of solving the problem was highly flawed. Maybe prosecutors should make a deal with him. Let him off easy if he hunts down Alex Jones.
Following your logic Dems got the Affordable Care Act passed and that raised prices for everyone significantly and lowered care being directly responsible for insurance companies to do exactly what happened here. Maybe the Left should sit this one out and let the other side give it a shot.
 
Trell

Trell

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Following your logic Dems got the Affordable Care Act passed and that raised prices for everyone significantly and lowered care being directly responsible for insurance companies to do exactly what happened here. Maybe the Left should sit this one out and let the other side give it a shot.
Here’s an article by Krugman in 2011, to give you a little background knowledge. Below that a comment from Romney. Actually, it’s the right that should sit this one out.

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Yglesias looks at calls for a return to something like the McCain health plan — subsidies for individuals to buy insurance on the open market — and gets it exactly right: once you think seriously about how this would work, you end up with something that looks very much like the health reform we have.

Suppose we give people help buying insurance. This doesn’t help people with pre-existing conditions, who won’t be able to get insurance anyway. So we add community rating: insurers can’t discriminate based on medical history.

But this leads to a problem with adverse selection: healthy young people will drop coverage, leaving behind a bad risk pool and high costs. So we add a mandate, requiring that everyone get coverage.

But some people can’t afford to do this. So we add means-tested subsidies to help lower-income citizens.

And you’ve just described the Massachusetts health reform, aka Romneycare, which in turn is basically the same as Obamacare.

There are no more conservative alternatives — not unless you give up on the whole idea that everyone should have coverage. There are alternatives to the left — single-payer, VA-style government provision — but Obamacare is already as conservative as a plan to make health insurance more or less universal can. <<<


Then there is this from Romney himself in 2015. Perhaps you think of him as a Leftist?

>>>Without Romneycare, there would be no Obamacare, Mitt Romney claimed in new comments published Friday. …<<<

 
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Trell

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Luigi Mangione is the median American voter | Peter Rothpletz | The Guardian

An interesting piece about Mangione. Neither left- nor right-leaning. Just angry.
In the middle of this article there is this. :D

>>>Considering all this, Mangione’s digital media diet is arguably quite coherent – and in line with what most non-elites consume. As explained by Rachel Kleinfeld, average Americans are far less ideologically polarized than they think they are – and misconceptions around polarization are greatest among the most politically engaged people. Unfortunately, if you’re reading this essay, you’re likely very, very out of touch. <<<
 
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TankTop5

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At what cost to the general public?
Can’t be any worse than the 200% increase since ACA and that’s with government subsidies to offset the cost. The fact is nobody knows how much the overall cost of healthcare has gone up. Anyway Trump wasn’t able to repeal it last time he was in office and probably won’t this time either. Failed in the House and Federal judges blocked his attempts at stripping parts of it away although courts look much different this time around so he could be more successful.
 
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everettT

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Here’s an article by Krugman in 2011, to give you a little background knowledge. Below that a comment from Romney. Actually, it’s the right that should sit this one out.

>>>
Yglesias looks at calls for a return to something like the McCain health plan — subsidies for individuals to buy insurance on the open market — and gets it exactly right: once you think seriously about how this would work, you end up with something that looks very much like the health reform we have.

Suppose we give people help buying insurance. This doesn’t help people with pre-existing conditions, who won’t be able to get insurance anyway. So we add community rating: insurers can’t discriminate based on medical history.

But this leads to a problem with adverse selection: healthy young people will drop coverage, leaving behind a bad risk pool and high costs. So we add a mandate, requiring that everyone get coverage.

But some people can’t afford to do this. So we add means-tested subsidies to help lower-income citizens.

And you’ve just described the Massachusetts health reform, aka Romneycare, which in turn is basically the same as Obamacare.

There are no more conservative alternatives — not unless you give up on the whole idea that everyone should have coverage. There are alternatives to the left — single-payer, VA-style government provision — but Obamacare is already as conservative as a plan to make health insurance more or less universal can. <<<


Then there is this from Romney himself in 2015. Perhaps you think of him as a Leftist?

>>>Without Romneycare, there would be no Obamacare, Mitt Romney claimed in new comments published Friday. …<<<

Paul Krugman? Ok.
 
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Dude#1279435

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To summarize.....;)

Conservative news: how dare you celebrate the murder of a CEO!
Rest of the world:

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Dude#1279435

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If you wanted to LOL. Host compares the CEO killing to John Lennon or George Floyd etc. I liked the part about if you're so upset there isn't a vigil, go there and start one. You'd think if your intent was to protect the status quo, you'd do the wise thing and zip it and let the time pass vs. looking like a complete idiot in public.
 
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Dude#1279435

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I'm not even gonna bother with a link cause it's from a video and so silly. The NY governor wants to create a CEO crisis hotline. I mean really. Call fucking 911. It should be pretty clear what's on the agenda there.

I'm actually disappointed in our judicial system. I almost feel sorry for Mangione. The swiftness with which he was sentenced. Add in the phony "terrorism" charge to attempt to alter the narrative and stack on years. Plus the Drudge headline of possibly going for the death penalty. Since when did NY execute??? Charge him with first-degree murder and give him 30 or life and be done with it.

Jeez did you see the convoy assisting when Luigi got off the helicopter? It's so obvious to me it's because it was a CEO.:rolleyes:
 
Tankini

Tankini

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Following your logic Dems got the Affordable Care Act passed and that raised prices for everyone significantly and lowered care being directly responsible for insurance companies to do exactly what happened here. Maybe the Left should sit this one out and let the other side give it a shot.
What all the other commenters don't or can't comprehend about the healthcare system. It's full of fraud. Always has, always will be. Murder? Who cares? As long as it is anyone in their family or their well-being. Venezuela on steroids.
 

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