Center Channel Speaker Bracket

[SMM]

I'm looking for a center channel speaker bracket that will allow me to mount my speaker above the 92" screen and angle the speaker slightly downward towards the audience. I've been looking at the B-tech BT15B, but it doesn't allow me to angle the speaker? Has anyone found such a product?

 

[JaceTheAce]

You might want to try this:

http://www.pinpoint-mktg.com/bt15.html

 

[mulester7]

I'm looking for a center channel speaker bracket that will allow me to mount my speaker above the 92" screen and angle the speaker slightly downward towards the audience.

.....very good insight through reasoning....the lower front mains against the high center should bring the point effort of all three about mid-screen....good thinking.....

 

[SMM]

yes...that's the B-Tech that I was concidering...but it doesn't allow you to algle the speaker downward

 

[brian32672]

All you need is 2 @ 0.99 each angled L brackets at home depot. Used for single shelf shoe rack. It will already have a 1" front lip and about a 10 degree down angle. If you need more angle then just put a wedge under the back of the speaker, the front lip will keep it from falling. The bracket with the brace will usually hold 50+ lbs per bracket (some are 75+ lbs). So 2 brackets spread 12" apart will hold any center channel speaker that I know of.

BTW Jace, I am confused, I am pretty sure he had said he looked at that model.

EDIT:: Here is an adjustable (or rather folding, and locks at different angles) L bracket (holds 750 lbs), but you would need to put on your own front lip, very easy, just use a 1" square block painted white and screwed in the front of the bracket from underneath.
Link HERE

But I would still go to Home Depot and look for a cheap bracket in the shelving dept. first.

EDIT #2:: Oh yeah BTW, the claimed 750 lbs I am sure means that it is mounted into concrete, and surely you will be mounting into drywall. So don't test the 750 lb limit. But yes, I am sure with proper drywall anchors it will hold 75 lbs per bracket, yet once again I would not do pull-ups on the brackets.

EDIT #3:: Oh yeah, before anyone says 'but that folding bracket only locks at terrible angles'
Please use a little creative thinking.
All you would have to do is find the angle you need, then drill a small hole in the side of the bracket. And put in a pin in the hole (or screw), viola you have any angle you want. Then do the same for the second bracket. You could say that this sounds like a lot of work, but hey even if you buy a premade bracket, you still have to get wall anchors. So if you are capable of hanging a premade bracket, then you will have enough ingenuity to mount a L bracket.
Also, I am not pointing fingers at anyone, certainly not in this thread. But sometimes I have seen the most simple questions answered with a bit of common sense.

Then again, hey, why don't you fellows start a business that sells the exact product the fellow is looking for. If I had the means (capital), I certainly would.

 

[SMM]

yes...that's the B-Tech that I was concidering...but it doesn't allow you to algle the speaker downward

 

[JennAir]

.....very good insight through reasoning....the lower front mains against the high center should bring the point effort of all three about mid-screen....good thinking.....

I don't understand that at all.

 

[mulester7]

I don't understand that at all.

.....well, JennAir, he said he had a 92 inch screen he wanted his center speaker above....most people have front mains that are usually floor standers or towers sitting on the floor on both sides of a screen....so the efforts of the floor standers or towers would probably project "below" the middle of the screen, with the center projecting "above" the middle of the screen....picture a triangle/pyramid with the center of the triangle/pyramid in the middle of the screen where the people in the movie are talking....I plan to do the same thing with a 96 inch screen with just enough room above it for a center speaker to project....I can try again if need be.....

 

[JaceTheAce]

yes...that's the B-Tech that I was concidering...but it doesn't allow you to algle the speaker downward

Oops - I totally missed that you stated that you were already considering the B-Tech! If I were you, I'd go to Home Depot or Lowe's and make the mount yourself. It'd cost a considerable amount less and I think you can get results that are more what you want.

 

[JennAir]

picture a triangle/pyramid with the center of the triangle/pyramid in the middle of the screen where the people in the movie are talking....

Except, that's not what happens. Imagine a scene where someone is walking and talking. They move from left to right. The sound of their voice is low on the left, then high in the middle, then low on the right. In an ideal situation (which I understand is rarely possible in a liveable environment) all the speakers would be the same height.

 

[mulester7]

Except, that's not what happens. Imagine a scene where someone is walking and talking. They move from left to right. The sound of their voice is low on the left, then high in the middle, then low on the right. In an ideal situation (which I understand is rarely possible in a liveable environment) all the speakers would be the same height.

.....ok, but my front main floorstanders, about 38 inches tall, sit on a mini-barn sub on both sides that is about 25 inches tall, so my front mains project about mid-screen already, so I couldn't very well have a center speaker under the screen, but I haven't crossed that stream yet, with a pair of center speakers enroute from Bob in California, and I plan to have one over the screen, and one below....then I will bring their efforts to mid-screen by volumed-balance between them....as for SMM's situation, he will have to figure out what applications are best for him....but, considering he has a 92 inch screen, would he want a lone center speaker under his screen?....I still like the idea for him to go over the screen with his center, and I doubt any moving effects would be irritating in any way, but he'll have to make that final call based on his room and situation....JennAir, do you have a screen?....if you do, what is your placement for your front three speakers, and are your front mains floorstanders or towers?.....

 

[SMM]

I plan to buy Boston Acoustics VR3 main speakers and they'll be on a riser (approx 8 to 10" high) to the immediate left and right of the 92" screen. I also plan to put the Boston Acoustics VR1000 sub directly below the screen on that riser. The purpose of the riser is to a) stop the kids from tripping over the speakers and B) get the speakers mid screen. Does this make sence?

I'm planing to use a Boston Acoustics VRC center channel speaker that would need to go above the screen angled down towards the listeners. My other issue is that I have a soffit approximately 14" wide and 8" tall running along the front of the room (similar to the floor riser running along the front wall). In efect, I guess this will create a sort of shadow box for the screen. The center Channel speaker would be below this riser.

Any comments advise would be greatly appreciated as I new to all of this!

 

[mulester7]

I plan to buy Boston Acoustics VR3 main speakers and they'll be on a riser (approx 8 to 10" high) to the immediate left and right of the 92" screen. I also plan to put the Boston Acoustics VR1000 sub directly below the screen on that riser. The purpose of the riser is to a) stop the kids from tripping over the speakers and B) get the speakers mid screen. Does this make sense?

I'm planing to use a Boston Acoustics VRC center channel speaker that would need to go above the screen angled down towards the listeners. My other issue is that I have a soffit approximately 14" wide and 8" tall running along the front of the room (similar to the floor riser running along the front wall). In effect, I guess this will create a sort of shadow box for the screen. The center Channel speaker would be below this riser.

Any comments or advise would be greatly appreciated as I am new to all of this!

.....SMM, I continue to say go for it on your planning and reasonings....if it needs any tweaking at the last, you'll know it....but I'll also add, you'll get much better sub response with the sub on the floor....you might adapt the low riser to be on the sides for your mains, with the center open to have the sub on the floor......

 

[SMM]

Vogel's VLB-200

check these out...looks like this solves my problem

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/601-9310631-8356962?_encoding=UTF8&frombrowse=1&asin=B0002VAZZW

 

[SMM]

.....SMM, I continue to say go for it on your planning and reasonings....if it needs any tweaking at the last, you'll know it....but I'll also add, you'll get much better sub response with the sub on the floor....you might adapt the low riser to be on the sides for your mains, with the center open to have the sub on the floor......

So eight inches of height will impact the sub's bass response? I'd hate saying this, but for cosmetic easons we'd prefer to have the riser run the full length. How much of an impact will this have on the sub's performance?

 

[mulester7]

So eight inches of height will impact the sub's bass response? I'd hate saying this, but for cosmetic reasons we'd prefer to have the riser run the full length. How much of an impact will this have on the sub's performance?

.....well, eight inches off the floor won't make the sub sound like a tweeter, haha, but you will lose some, I promise, and I suspect what you would lose would be the realism concussion, or that range under 35 hz where you can't hear a pitch, but can only feel it....and, keep in mind, you're already not in a corner, where a sub attains it's lowest....but hey, you'll have clean sub down to probably at least 35-40hz solid, and that's lower than most people actually realize....like I said, go for it with your plans and reasonings as are, and if some tweaking needs to be done at the last, you'll assess priorities at that time....you are obviously going to end up with some very fine equipment....best wishes for your outcome......

 

[JennAir]

what is your placement for your front three speakers, and are your front mains floorstanders or towers?.....

I assume you meant floorstanders or stand-mounts. I have a 65" screen, not nearly as large as newer front projection systems but still fairly big. My mains are stand-mounts. In a dedicated HT it didn't make sense to me to use floorstanders if the mains can achieve LF response well below 50Hz on their own. I use dual subs for the bottom end.
My center is above the screen which places it about 5 feet above the floor and is slightly tilted down. There are two rows of seating so the rear seats actually get fairly on-axis positioning. In the front row the seated position puts you looking up slightly at the screen. To eliminate the down-up-down problem of the front three I built stands for my mains that get them more to the upper portion of the screen. This produced a mostly coherent sound field for the front end. I can still detect that the dialogue comes from above the screen but it's tolerable. I'm contemplating a perf'ed screen so the center can go directly behind. I'm not sure if I want to give up a little picture resolution to accomplish that though.
I've thought about the dual center set-up also. I think it's a valid option if you can get equal distance from both speakers to the listening postion. Otherwise I can see where there might be problems due to a mono signal originating from two different points.

 

[mulester7]

I assume you meant floorstanders or stand-mounts. I have a 65" screen, not nearly as large as newer front projection systems but still fairly big. My mains are stand-mounts. In a dedicated HT it didn't make sense to me to use floorstanders if the mains can achieve LF response well below 50Hz on their own. I use dual subs for the bottom end.
My center is above the screen which places it about 5 feet above the floor and is slightly tilted down. There are two rows of seating so the rear seats actually get fairly on-axis positioning. In the front row the seated position puts you looking up slightly at the screen. To eliminate the down-up-down problem of the front three I built stands for my mains that get them more to the upper portion of the screen. This produced a mostly coherent sound field for the front end. I can still detect that the dialogue comes from above the screen but it's tolerable. I'm contemplating a perf'ed screen so the center can go directly behind. I'm not sure if I want to give up a little picture resolution to accomplish that though.
I've thought about the dual center set-up also. I think it's a valid option if you can get equal distance from both speakers to the listening postion. Otherwise I can see where there might be problems due to a mono signal originating from two different points.

.....well, JennAir, I really meant floorstanders and towers....I have what I call floorstanders that are about 38 inches tall, and to me, speakers taller than that I call towers, forgive my interpretations.....anyhow, that doesn't have anything to do with the price of eggs in this matter, and I would not give up "any" image quality on the perforated screen thing....I would go high and low center speakers above and below the screen, and it would be important that the two have seperate attenuation to affix a point somewhere between them....this could be accomplished using an L-pad on the bottom one with the high and low centers being paralleled on one amp section with seperate speaker wire paralleled "at" the amp section, but that would change the "voice" of both being paralleled, and I personally wouldn't want that....I can't see it being that important that the two are exactly the same distance from a fixed sitting position, either....I would just bring up the seperate volume on the bottom speaker to lower the effects and point of the top one, and you could then lower your front mains to the center of the screen, but all that's your call, you know what's best for you...by the way, exactly what are your front mains that sit on stands?....and lastly, thumbs-up on the dual subs....you get a cleaner, more solid effect, with less wear on the elements and amplifications......

 

[JennAir]

It's not just a matter of SPL level from the dual centers, but a matter of time. If one is farther away than the other and producing the same signal it's going to be similar to an early reflection point on a wall, but that's up to the listener's interpretation I suppose.
Being here on the left coast I had the good fortune to find out about a relatively unknown guy up in Seattle building great speakers for amazingly low prices. I was familiar with the drivers he's using and I bought a matching set of his LCR speakers for the fronts and bookshelves for the rears.
http://www.us.alegriaaudio.com/RosaLCR.htm
http://www.us.alegriaaudio.com/Ling.htm
I found out about him from a couple of attorneys that had bought stuff from him and encouraged me to contact him. I'm glad I did.

 

[SMM]

.....well, eight inches off the floor won't make the sub sound like a tweeter, haha, but you will lose some, I promise, and I suspect what you would lose would be the realism concussion, or that range under 35 hz where you can't hear a pitch, but can only feel it....and, keep in mind, you're already not in a corner, where a sub attains it's lowest....but hey, you'll have clean sub down to probably at least 35-40hz solid, and that's lower than most people actually realize....like I said, go for it with your plans and reasonings as are, and if some tweaking needs to be done at the last, you'll assess priorities at that time....you are obviously going to end up with some very fine equipment....best wishes for your outcome......

OK...so assuming I want to stick with the riser in the front and I don't want to compromise the sub performance as I love lots of thunderous bass, I'd have to move the sub behind the left seat of my front row. My wife is concerned that this will put too much bass/rumble at that seat. Opinions?