Can we have a rational discussion about guns and why the typical arguments for gun control and its implementation won't work?

[Trell]

When you go after machine guns, you're not looking at the real problem.

The real problem is that there are way too few guns in in USA so that honest and pure Americans can't protect themselves! Criminals don't respect laws, as you say, so any attempt at gun controls put Americans lives at risk from mass murder! Every child should have a loaded gun given to them at birth, but even better would a hand grenade! So when someone looks funny at you, or a teacher giving bad grades, you know what to do: Blow the f*ckers brains out! The 8 year old must be a criminal, and of course, any teacher giving bad grades!

That was sarcasm, btw.

This thread is one of the dumbest I've seen, and it started with the first post and the thread title. Completely moronic and cheered on by people that have never served, as well as immune to any science.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I'd think one of the gun people here would say, I believe in sensible gun rights, like rifles, shotguns, handguns, and bows. However, new machine guns----wow, that's nuts! Nobody says that, so I'd have to assume you'd like MGs if the feds ever removed the ban.

 

[Dude#1279435]

What happened that sent you to machine gun land? And no, I'm not trying to justify them. Whatever noise in your head is making you believe that, it's not coming from me.

People who do own real machine guns make sure to secure them because if they don't, they stand to lose them. These aren't the wingnuts who want to play Rambo, it's more likely that they actually have used them in military service and they often live in places where someone has enough land that allows their use. When was the last time you heard of a real machine gun being used, rather than illegally-modified guns or a bump-stock?

Millions of guns are in the hands of people who are prohibited but that's not being addressed. Personally, I think Congress is too ignorant of the facts and anything they say about guns is just to make people think they're doing something. What they need to do is go to cities where gunfire is common, so they can be shown how wrong they are. Not far from my house, New Year's Eve, once again, sounded like a war zone but sirprisingly, it didn't last long and no, it wasn't all from fireworks. Milwaukee PD call logs contain reports of 60 shots fired in 17 minutes.

When you go after machine guns, you're not looking at the real problem.

https://www.showmecables.com/media/specs/Belden5000FE.pdf

Liked the part about people make sure to secure their MGs. With that kind of thinking you can justify the manufacture of "new" MGs because you already know owners of said are "responsible." Move ahead a number of years when a kid gets ahold of dad's MG and there's bloodbath in the school cafeteria. But as you said if I look at MGs I'm not looking at the real problem.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Hehehe.....

Your opinion isn't important. We got her covered from here.

---Federal Government

 

[Dude#1279435]

The real problem is that there are way too few guns in in USA so that honest and pure Americans can't protect themselves! Criminals don't respect laws, as you say, so any attempt at gun controls put Americans lives at risk from mass murder! Every child should have a loaded gun given to them at birth, but even better would a hand grenade! So when someone looks funny at you, or a teacher giving bad grades, you know what to do: Blow the f*ckers brains out! The 8 year old must be a criminal, and of course, any teacher giving bad grades!

That was sarcasm, btw.

This thread is one of the dumbest I've seen, and it started with the first post and the thread title. Completely moronic and cheered on by people that have never served, as well as immune to any science.

Makes you have faith in the gun community.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Think my depression level just rose. This is quite sad and mentally ill.....

Getting new machineguns legal again is like the Holy Grail of restoring rights.

The public civilians owning military grade weapons equipment was always the entire point of the 2nd Amendment.

Can anyone else smell an MG42 in their future?

Making machine guns easy to buy and sell for anyone is the pinnacle of dismantling the NFA and FOPA.

People forget you could buy machine guns in the local hardware store during a time in this country…. Until the govt infringed unconstitutionally.

Hopefully this goes nation wide!!!!

 

[highfigh]

Liked the part about people make sure to secure their MGs. With that kind of thinking you can justify the manufacture of "new" MGs because you already know owners of said are "responsible." Move ahead a number of years when a kid gets ahold of dad's MG and there's bloodbath in the school cafeteria. But as you said if I look at MGs I'm not looking at the real problem.

Why are you obsessing about something that doesn't happen and is unlikely to? I'm not justifying a GD thing- that idea is coming from your warped inferrences.

And how would a kid carry a MG to an event like that withoput being noticed?

Good Lord, now we're buying Machine guns This thread has become as laughable as a speaker cable / IC thread ............

It's not the thread, it's the BS Dude is posting.

 

[highfigh]

Cause the feds banned them, not because gun owners are 100% of sound. Even you believe in the 1% Rule.

As I have posted, gun owners are very much at fault when they don't make sure their guns aren't secured but machine guns are kind of big, so it's not the same as when someone sits on one and digs a remote control out of their a$$.

From the link, "Only machine guns manufactured prior to May 19, 1986 (18 USC § 922(o) & 27 CFR § 478.36) and already legally registered with the NFA are considered available for civilians to own. These are known as “Fully Transferrable” machine guns and have become extreme valuable over the years. These days, you can easily spend $10,000 to upwards of $50,000 or more to purchase a fully transferrable MG."

$10K-$50K- kind of rules out most gun buyers.

https://nationalfirearmsact.com/nfa-regulated-items/machine-gun-mg/

How many times have I posted that people are stupid? If you can't remember, go back- I have done that many times. Most laws were written because people did something stupid, far too manay times. However, the MG ban isn't aimed at 'Joe American, MG owner, it's aimed at criminals and gangs. I mentioned the North Hollywood incident- if you aren't aware of the details, watch the video.

 

[highfigh]

Think my depression level just rose. This is quite sad and mentally ill.....

Getting new machineguns legal again is like the Holy Grail of restoring rights.

The public civilians owning military grade weapons equipment was always the entire point of the 2nd Amendment.

Can anyone else smell an MG42 in their future?

Making machine guns easy to buy and sell for anyone is the pinnacle of dismantling the NFA and FOPA.

People forget you could buy machine guns in the local hardware store during a time in this country…. Until the govt infringed unconstitutionally.

Hopefully this goes nation wide!!!!

If YouTube and other social media had censored anything, it should have been this crap. These are the ones who make people twitch and the ones that twitch hardest are likely to be pretty close to, if not in fact, mentally ill.

 

[Mikado463]

It's not the thread, it's the BS Dude is posting.

Oh I know, it's always amazing how those that know little to nothing about firearms are the most vocal.

 

[highfigh]

I already know there's a concern when people omit the part on illegal to manufacture new machine guns.

That is the primary deterrent to gun goofiness, not gun enthusiasts naturally regulating themselves.

Why are you concentrating on gun enthusiasts and not criminals & gang members??????????

 

[Dude#1279435]

Why are you obsessing about something that doesn't happen and is unlikely to? I'm not justifying a GD thing- that idea is coming from your warped inferrences.

And how would a kid carry a MG to an event like that withoput being noticed?


It's not the thread, it's the BS Dude is posting.

See post #1446. If you could own new MG's, you would. Hence the post-'86 ban. There's not really any open dialogue regarding MG's. If you own one for the purpose of using them, you're mentally ill. The conversation has to be shut down to prevent further stupid. Otherwise it becomes normalized. The old MG's are not an issue because as the years go by they become more obsolete, or inoperable, or just are not readily available and expensive to purchase. It is the post-'86 ban that prevents MG from becoming an issue. Because if new ones are in the market it becomes easier for criminals to attain.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Oh I know, it's always amazing how those that know little to nothing about firearms are the most vocal.

And my previous comment to your post you didn't reply to cause you don't have an answer to.

 

[highfigh]

The reason they are not buying them is because I believe there's been a ban placed on the manufacturing of new ones. For a person of probably decades of gun experience it's rather disappointing to know you do not comprehend that. Or possibly that you're completely oblivious to the idea certain gun owners do not always make sound decisions.

Never underestimate people who are too motivated by a government restriction. Anyone who thinks parts for machine guns aren't being made by people who are absolutely opposed to the ban AND are or know someone who's a machinist is naive, at best.

Imagine this- If all guns are banned, ammunition sales are ended and the current form of manufacturing is shut down, people who know how, will still make guns & ammunition. However, the US government hasn't become what would be necessary to pull that off- imagine the court cases that would be necessary if things DON'T go completly sideways if the government locks down and sweeps neighborhoods to confiscate every gun and make sure people don't scurry off to warn others- the Police could never cover the areas, so it would be up to the military.

Freedoms are great, if they're not abused, so we have laws. Lots of laws. What do people do? They ignore the laws and do whatever the eff they want.

For some reason, you seem to think I want everyone to have guns and as many as they can beg, borrow or steal- I don't and from my previous posts, it should have been very clear.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Never underestimate people who are too motivated by a government restriction. Anyone who thinks parts for machine guns aren't being made by people who are absolutely opposed to the ban AND are or know someone who's a machinist is naive, at best.

Imagine this- If all guns are banned, ammunition sales are ended and the current form of manufacturing is shut down, people who know how, will still make guns & ammunition. However, the US government hasn't become what would be necessary to pull that off- imagine the court cases that would be necessary if things DON'T go completly sideways if the government locks down and sweeps neighborhoods to confiscate every gun and make sure people don't scurry off to warn others- the Police could never cover the areas, so it would be up to the military.

Freedoms are great, if they're not abused, so we have laws. Lots of laws. What do people do? They ignore the laws and do whatever the eff they want.

For some reason, you seem to think I want everyone to have guns and as many as they can beg, borrow or steal- I don't and from my previous posts, it should have been very clear.

Less worse the black market than legalizing them into the market.
Also, never said ALL guns. Just the stupid ones (ie MG's).

 

[highfigh]

See post #1446. If you could own new MG's, you would. Hence the post-'86 ban. There's not really any open dialogue regarding MG's. If you own one for the purpose of using them, you're mentally ill. The conversation has to be shut down to prevent further stupid. Otherwise it becomes normalized. The old MG's are not an issue because as the years go by they become more obsolete, or inoperable, or just are not readily available and expensive to purchase. It is the post-'86 ban that prevents MG from becoming an issue. Because if new ones are in the market it becomes easier for criminals to attain.

You're saying that I, personally, would own a new MG? You're just being an idiot, now. People clearly aren't using them, so that's not the reason they buy a MG.

You want guns to be restricted, at the very east and unavailable- that thinking completely ignores the problem- people don't want to be told what they can and can't do, so they break laws. Your 'plan' will do absolutely nothing to change peoples' behavior and that's the problem- nobody else is trying to do that and what has been called 'society' is becoming anything but that. Civilized? Yeah, right.

Imagine a world where people didn't want to kill others over minor disagreements, shooting someone when they're trying to leave after committing some kind of crime, being PO'd after suffering some kind of setback in their life, being bullied in school, etc.

 

[highfigh]

Less worse the black market than legalizing them into the market.
Also, never said ALL guns. Just the stupid ones (ie MG's).

Here it is for the cheap seats- MACHINE GUNS AREN'T USED IN MOST SHOOTINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When and where did I ever post support for MGs being available?

 

[highfigh]

I'd think one of the gun people here would say, I believe in sensible gun rights, like rifles, shotguns, handguns, and bows. However, new machine guns----wow, that's nuts! Nobody says that, so I'd have to assume you'd like MGs if the feds ever removed the ban.

Who was this addressed to?

Do you actually know any gun owners?

 

[Dude#1279435]

Here it is for the cheap seats- MACHINE GUNS AREN'T USED IN MOST SHOOTINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When and where did I ever post support for MGs being available?

Of course they're not. They haven't been manufactured in decades, and we don't need to find out with the production of new ones. The End.

 

[highfigh]

Liked the part about people make sure to secure their MGs. With that kind of thinking you can justify the manufacture of "new" MGs because you already know owners of said are "responsible." Move ahead a number of years when a kid gets ahold of dad's MG and there's bloodbath in the school cafeteria. But as you said if I look at MGs I'm not looking at the real problem.

Why are you obsessing about something that doesn't happen and is unlikely to? I'm not justifying a GD thing- that idea is coming from your warped inferrences.

The real problem is that there are way too few guns in in USA so that honest and pure Americans can't protect themselves! Criminals don't respect laws, as you say, so any attempt at gun controls put Americans lives at risk from mass murder! Every child should have a loaded gun given to them at birth, but even better would a hand grenade! So when someone looks funny at you, or a teacher giving bad grades, you know what to do: Blow the f*ckers brains out! The 8 year old must be a criminal, and of course, any teacher giving bad grades!

That was sarcasm, btw.

This thread is one of the dumbest I've seen, and it started with the first post and the thread title. Completely moronic and cheered on by people that have never served, as well as immune to any science.

I started this thread after a particularly violent weekend-

Weren't you one of the posters who supported a VP candidate after others said they didn't serve in a war zone? The fact that someone didn't serve doesn't mean they can't see the realities of life. Most who didn't serve have had family members who did and they have seen the effects.

What science are you referring to? All I see from you is your opinions about a country where you have never lived and that equivalent has completely passed over your head- you do not know life in the US and the lack of direct knowledge & experience makes a big difference in your views.

Has anyone been arrested at the house next to yours, wanted for shooting 3/killing one at a bar/restaurant because they were asked to leave when the 25+ age restriction starts, due to the problems with people younger than 25 not being able to handle alcohol? Has a 19 year old been shot & killed 1/2 mile from your house, by a 17 year old who was on house arrest and wearing a GPS ankle monitor because he had allegedly killed someone else more than a year prior (yeah, he was 15, the first time)? How about a shooting death 1/4 mile from your house, at a car wash? Do you hear gunfire throughout the year from less than 1/2 mile away? These are specific examples of events near my house- I live just outside of Milwaukee.

Do you still think you're qualified to tell anyone about life in the US? BTW- the area where I live is far from the worst in the county or the country. Why would those events make anyone want guns for everybody?