Can we have a rational discussion about guns and why the typical arguments for gun control and its implementation won't work?

[trochetier]

Bombing places was the go to before the assault rifle ban was lifted in the US. Crazy people will always find a way to kill innocent people, but giving them access to weapons that make it so much easier is just plain stupid. Red flag laws and mandatory waiting periods help, but aren't the solution.

It's like the argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Replace the word "guns" with "bombs" and it suddenly sounds as stupid as it is.

Or that "Europe has an issue with people stabbing people in crowds, should we ban knives too?" Yes, people are the main problem, but nobody wants to admit that we really need to start looking after one another more than we do.

Except mass stabbing like mass shooting is difficult to carry out and even if so the kill rate will not be as high.

 

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We’ve had those trucks driving into crowded areas killing dozens here in Europe but that is now much harder to do because of physical obstacles. If mass murder is what you were thinking off.

A single car hitting a single target is not more lethal than an assault rifle.

Have you seen this and the outcry over China seeming to want it to go away by removing items left by mourners and restricting media coverage?

The driver stabbed himself before the police arrived- too bad he didn't start there, instead of ruining the lives of so many others.

35 people killed as driver rams into crowd at a sports center in China

A 62-year-old man was detained outside the Zhuhai Sports Center, police said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

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Access to a gun is part of the problem, but the 17 year old is completely at fault- once again, it was a bad person using a gun.

17-year-old charged in fatal shooting of teen at Milwaukee bus stop

The shooting at a Milwaukee bus stop has led to charges against a 17-year-old, who has not been arrested.

www.wisn.com

 

[Trell]

Have you seen this and the outcry over China seeming to want it to go away by removing items left by mourners and restricting media coverage?

The driver stabbed himself before the police arrived- too bad he didn't start there, instead of ruining the lives of so many others.

35 people killed as driver rams into crowd at a sports center in China

A 62-year-old man was detained outside the Zhuhai Sports Center, police said.

www.nbcnews.com

This is why so many streets have roadblocks across Europe. While you have daily mass shootings we don’t have daily attacks using cars to drive into crowds of people.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Teen arrested in Queen West shooting facing murder charge | CBC News

Toronto police say a 16-year-old arrested in a dramatic incident this week where 100 gunshots were fired outside a Queen Street W. recording studio has now been charged with second-degree murder in connection with a homicide from earlier this year.

Police say the teenager was among 23 arrested in connection with Monday night's shooting, which also resulted in 16 guns being seized.

Police said they recovered several firearms that were left behind by those running away, with some weapons being discarded at the garbage bins at the recording studio and other areas. Police say the recovered firearms are all from the U.S.

Meanwhile...

Trump's border czar says Canadian border is an 'extreme' vulnerability | CBC News

Tell you what - if you guys do more to keep guns from coming north, we'll do more to keep illegal migrants from coming south. Deal?

 

[Trell]

Tell you what - if you guys do more to keep guns from coming north, we'll do more to keep illegal migrants from coming south. Deal?

Trump had said that missiles should be launched at drug labs in Mexico, but perhaps other countries should launch missiles at some US corporate HQ to stop influx of guns?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Trump had said that missiles should be launched at drug labs in Mexico, but perhaps other countries should launch missiles at some US corporate HQ to stop influx of guns?

Too late for "buyer's remorse."

 

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Teen arrested in Queen West shooting facing murder charge | CBC News




Meanwhile...

Tell you what - if you guys do more to keep guns from coming north, we'll do more to keep illegal migrants from coming south. Deal?

Ever try to pick up a bead of Mercury or herd cats? Go after one criminal and the rest scatter. I don't know how many points of entry are being used by gun smugglers, but metal detectors need to cover any area within a mile of each one.

If I had a choice, criminals could be scooped up with excavation equipment and put in garbage trucks.

 

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Trump had said that missiles should be launched at drug labs in Mexico, but perhaps other countries should launch missiles at some US corporate HQ to stop influx of guns?

What about Glock? Those are used extensively by gang bangers and it's one of the only brands that can be fitted with a 'switch', making them fully automatic. Not a US manufacturer. Taurus is another popular brand, made in Brazil. Most of the other brands form outside of the US are too expensive if they were purchased, but they're frequently stolen because the owners are too stupid to secure them.

Must be nice to not have our problems, but think you know the solutions. And what's a major difference between your country and the US? THE PEOPLE. We have more criminals than your entire population and those of us who aren't criminals are f&cking sick of their BS.

 

[Mikado463]

Instead of essentially freely legally available guns and assault weapons what will they choose?

Give an example, please.

well here's a recent one.........

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/16/china/china-stabbing-yixing-campus-intl/index.html

 

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well here's a recent one.........

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/16/china/china-stabbing-yixing-campus-intl/index.html

These are just from 2020 to Nov 16 of this year. Not a surprise, but Milwaukee made the list-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_stabbing_incidents_(2020–present)

In this link, the weapon & circumstances are shown- knives or cutting instruments accounted for 1476 homicides-

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11.xls

 

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Trump had said that missiles should be launched at drug labs in Mexico, but perhaps other countries should launch missiles at some US corporate HQ to stop influx of guns?

Drugs kill far more people than guns.

Violence to avenge violence? The US can't even keep murderers in jails and prisons.

 

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Recently, a 15 year old girl killed two and herself, wounding others, at a school in the Madison, WI area. I haven't heard much lately about how she got the guns, but there was nothing at the school to stop her bringing them in- the school may have 'Gun Free Zone' signs but Wisconsin doesn't allow metal detectors in schools because it has been deemed a violation of privacy. Brilliant. If they had them, three people might be alive. I searched and the last news info I found was from late-December.