Bye Bye, Bernie

[Nemo128]

There is no suggestion because it's impossible. Humanity is what it is. If we police every action, we are "infringing on freedom". If we dissolve all forms of law, we're "inviting chaos and anarchy". The only way to really ensure freedom would be anarchy, but anarchy doesn't ensure chaos. People, in their base greedy loathsome envious spiteful nature, do.

George Carlin said it plainly, "The planet isn't going anywhere. We are."

 

[Rickster71]

I'm all for a Real Death Penalty, not one driven into ineffectiveness by endless appeals.
A real death penalty does two things; it stops repeat offenders, and culls from society members that don't play well with others.
It also keeps them from procreating, and in two generations the world would be a better place.

It may not be perfect, and while we wait for a perfect person to come up with 'The perfect / Best' solution, I'd be happy with a real death penalty as a stop-gap measure.

 

[markw]

So, essentially...

There is no suggestion because it's impossible. Humanity is what it is. If we police every action, we are "infringing on freedom". If we dissolve all forms of law, we're "inviting chaos and anarchy". The only way to really ensure freedom would be anarchy, but anarchy doesn't ensure chaos. People, in their base greedy loathsome envious spiteful nature, do.

George Carlin said it plainly, "The planet isn't going anywhere. We are."

...do nothing. Just complain. It does no good anyway, right?

Well, at least we now how to value your opinions. Thanks for clarifing that.

 

[Nemo128]

If one person could fix the world, it would have been done already. If you define speaking of the solution and pointing out the flaws in the values of the general populous as doing nothing, I guess you're right.

So, please do tell, what other than speaking a message can any one person do? Last time I checked, that's how ever major religion got their start. One message from one messenger. In your "valuation of opinions", I guess those people did nothing but complain either...

Someone could say "You're right, humanity does need to change its ways, and that's a message that should be continued to spread." Or someone could say "You're just complaining, I want real tangible solutions that can be quantified or all your efforts are meaningless." Tell me, what kind of person are you?

 

[markw]

Personally, I'll go along with Rick in that current laws being strictly enforced would be a good start but many in this country are not for that. Many of them are judges at various levels.

If I had the ultimate solutions I would stand on the rooftops and shout them to the world, and perhaps run for office. but, alas, I don't.

But, I don't just inject negativity and condemnation of the entire human race on an audio site at every turn. Any angry child can complain but making it better? well, no....

But, since you claim that you make your living from the state, which you imply is the root of this mess, doesn't that make you more a part of the problem than the solution?

And, change just for the sake of change is not always a good thing, is it?

 

[gmichael]

I say, put him to work for Meals on Wheels. Let him spend his days delivering food to those too old or sick to get their own. Have him take out their garbage while he's there and maybe give them all sponge baths. Too bad it would be so hard to police.

 

[markw]

Too hard to police?

I say, put him to work for Meals on Wheels. Let him spend his days delivering food to those too old or sick to get their own. Have him take out their garbage while he's there and maybe give them all sponge baths. Too bad it would be so hard to police.

He's too old to run away. It simply would cost the state too much to keep an eye on him for the value of his work to society.

Now, maybe using him as an organ donor farm or blood bank...

 

[Nemo128]

If I had solutions I would stand on the rooftops and shout them to the world, and perhaps run for office. but, alas, I don't.

How far do you think you'd get with that plan... As for running for office, that's already in the works because I feel I can make a genuine difference. But maybe that's just the angry child on the audio site speaking...

But, I don't just inject negativity and condemnation of the entire human race on an audio site at every turn. Any angry child can complain but making it better? well, no....

Hmm... but you meet what you perceive as negativity with your own brand of negativity... interesting indeed. Looking for like-minded people in a place full of intelligent grounded people, you perceive as "the condemnation of the entire human race on an audio site", and the actions of an "angry child". Also interesting.

But, since you claim that you make your living from the state, which you imply is the root of this mess, doesn't that make you more a part of the problem than the solution?

Didn't you say in the same exact post that you'd "perhaps run for office"? So you believe in changing the system from within, yet, it doesn't apply to someone who's not you.

See, at least now I know if I ever got to the level where I could be a leader of this state, I probably wouldn't get your vote as a Jersey resident. You truly do learn something new every day.

To respond to your previous comment "...do nothing. Just complain. It does no good anyway, right?" The civil rights movement was a result of social complaint. The abolishment of slavery was a result of social complaint. The overthrow of the communist Soviet Union, the defeat of the Batista regime in Cuba, the toppling of the Berlin Wall, all results of social complaint, all the result of many like-minded people uniting for a common cause, none the result of one person. But what do I know. Plenty of men and women had dreams and visions for their people long before me, I'm just a negativity-slinging angry child on an audio site.

 

[Nemo128]

I say, put him to work for Meals on Wheels. Let him spend his days delivering food to those too old or sick to get their own. Have him take out their garbage while he's there and maybe give them all sponge baths. Too bad it would be so hard to police.

I have, with the exception of the sponge baths, thanks.

 

[gmichael]

He's too old to run away. It simply would cost the state too much to keep an eye on him for the value of his work to society.

That's what I meant. I'm just not so good with words as you.

Now, maybe using him as an organ donor farm or blood bank...

Sell him off piece by piece? How much for a left kidney? My dad is still short one.

 

[gmichael]

I have, with the exception of the sponge baths, thanks.

My mom used to do that also. Funny part (or not so funny part) is, many of the people she used to bring food to, out-lived her.

 

[Nemo128]

My mom used to do that also. Funny part (or not so funny part) is, many of the people she used to bring food to, out-lived her.

Unfortunately that's what happens to a lot of the people that try to do good. They get outlived. And by people like Bernie Madoff.

Hey markw, I'm not trying to start a personal battle of words here (obviously, since I'm not the one throwing around "angry child" and "infinite wisdom" comments...)

So let's put-er-dere. *extends hand and olive branch*

 

[markw]

fair enough.

Unfortunately that's what happens to a lot of the people that try to do good. They get outlived. And by people like Bernie Madoff.

Hey markw, I'm not trying to start a personal battle of words here (obviously, since I'm not the one throwing around "angry child" and "infinite wisdom" comments...)

So let's put-er-dere. *extends hand and olive branch*

Let's just keep (basically) to the subject matter instead of the gloom-and-doom editorials, shall we?