Building My Dream System: Need Your Help...

[BMXTRIX]

The question is, will people have a television, and more importantly the cabling required to support 1920 x 1200 HD resolution that true HD is scaled down from. Laughable that 1265x 768 is so amazing, when there's almost double that available, however unplayable by the masses.

True HD is a crap statement. People call anything above EDTV (853x480) HDTV - they call 720p and 1080i HD, they call any display above 853x480 'true HD'...

I wish people would just use the appropriate term for the different formats and resolutions: 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. The 1920x1200 is a non-standard non-16:9 format used by the computer industry. It may be possible to put uncompressed 1920:1200 onto a BD, but odds are that almost all material will be mastered around 1920x1080p then scaled to 1280x720p for the discs. I imagine almost every player will originally only output 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. Or - more accurately, all the standard ATSC formats.

I hate the term HDTV - I am sick of it. It is so meaningless, and means even less when someone adds the word 'true' before it. DVD looks awesome at 480p.. or even 480i. 720p and 1080i both look great as long as the compressors did a good job and you don't get any digital signal drop off. Most people still don't know what the original definition of HD is or even care. It's easier just to call everything in the world HDTV and feel comfortable with its terminology.

Wait... is this the steam vent?

 

[Duffinator]

The question is, will people have a television, and more importantly the cabling required to support 1920 x 1200 HD resolution that true HD is scaled down from. Laughable that 1265x 768 is so amazing, when there's almost double that available, however unplayable by the masses.

There are already at least 2 sets that support 1080P on the market now with several others scheduled to hit the market in 2005. As for 1920x1200 see BMXTRIX's comments. Don't forget that when DVD first hit the market there were almost no sets that would accept a 480P signal. Now most do. It will take a few years but 1080P will be the standard. A 1080P signal has OVER TWICE the information as 720P.

 

[Cuteman]

im not talking 1920x1200 for tv, im talking that for DVDs.

Now, with the blu-ray HD-DVD you guys were talking about, what are we really talking? Higher storage capacity per disk, thus you can have better resolution movies.

They have this crap, storged on computers somewhere at like what someone might call super-duper-ultra-HD probably 3200x1500 resolution. The question is, does this stuff take up 30gb per/sec or what?
So far its been enough storage on media to be commercially available. Computer moniters do heavy duty resolution.
Tvs are getting better, some hitting 1080p this coming year.
Things will continue to increase, resolution will keep getting better.
Eventually there will be no more bottlenecks. Or so much processing power, and storage space it will be irrelevant.

Look for holographic storage (1tb - 1 disk) to take over for blu-ray (i saw blu-ray since it has the best long term chances, with storage @ 200gb @ 16 layers, with HD-DVD topping out at around 60gb in about 10-15 years.

Its all about scaling.
Right now most people are watching analog tv. less than 480i, if its RF antenna its like what ... 100-200 lines.
ED and the brightness of plasma wows most people in a way they've never seen. Most HD is transmitted in 720p, some things in 1080i but even then its not 24/7.
Few people except in japan have seen 1080p.

It will definately take a while.
FCC has mandated by 2006, HD is standard, but that might get pushed back until 2009. As many LCD fabs come online in the next 5 years, watch LCD and OLED prices drop significantly.

 

[BMXTRIX]

OLED prices need to exist first... One product needs to hit the market first before that even is a viable technology.

When I scan images I typically scan them at about 3000x2000 pixels. Many digital photo cameras are in the 6mp range (3000x2000), but the human eye still can't detect the difference at 10 feet on a 42 inch screen between a 853x480 image and a 1280x720 image. This remains the underlying myth - That an HD display actually has to have 1920x1080 pixels or more - and that data encoded that high is actually usable to most consumers.

Color depth on the other hand is really important as well as cost. So, if the industry can produce stunning 1080i and 720p BD material and have a BD deck that can record HD material directly from my cable box, and I can get that deck for under $400.00 or so in a few years, then we are talking. I don't need 1080p - most people don't. Those that will buy it in the future won't even be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 1080i or 720p or even 480p depending on the size of their display.

DVD looks awesome and while I may not buy many (or any?) more DVD discs, I sure won't be disappointed in what I already have or think that others should be overly worried about new technologies either. Just inform them that maybe a lot of money isn't the best way to go right now, but if you have it, definitely enjoy it.

 

[Cuteman]

As bill gates once said 64k of memory should be enough for any person, we are seeing that he was dead wrong.

If theres a resolution it'll be had, there is an obvious peak to this, considering resolution will only get so good, after that it'll be about where the image is coming from, smaller boxes, less power, no maintence - like i say to people im selling tvs to at best buy ... the best thing until holographic images are beamed directly into your brain.

I believe resolution will top out at around 1080p, only because tv stations dont want to keep upgrading their equiptment. Hell they dont even want to go from SD to HD, considering its 10k for the stuff versus 100k or 1M. No extra advertising $$$ means why the hell would they.

Oh well, at least capacity crazy disks will make storage like $.01/gb in a little while.

 

[BMXTRIX]

I agree - I think we are going to see things hold solid at a max of 1080p for many years for displays. It is still more resolution than most users will ever be able to fully appreciate, but will be perfect for what the next generation DLPs should be accepting.

Front projection 1080p on a 10 foot diagonal sounds close to perfection... especially if it is a triple chip DLP.

 

[HEET SEEKER R1]

Thank you all...

I agree - I think we are going to see things hold solid at a max of 1080p for many years for displays. It is still more resolution than most users will ever be able to fully appreciate, but will be perfect for what the next generation DLPs should be accepting.

Front projection 1080p on a 10 foot diagonal sounds close to perfection... especially if it is a triple chip DLP.

When do the new receivers usually come out? What time of the year I mean? Is it like cars and motorcycles where new models come out at a particular time of the year every year?


Will the current receivers drop significantly price wise say in six months?

Thanks to you all for helping me.

 

[Leprkon]

When do the new receivers usually come out? What time of the year I mean? Is it like cars and motorcycles where new models come out at a particular time of the year every year?


Will the current receivers drop significantly price wise say in six months?

Thanks to you all for helping me.

the last batch all came out in September-October (Onkyo, Denon and Yammy all had two or three new products in that time), usually so they can show them off at the CEDIA conference in Las Vegas.

Prices seemed to drop a little in August, then went down pretty good the first week of October

 

[BMXTRIX]

The Onkyo system that is listed dropped significantly over the past few months. Online pricing has dropped about 20% and the receiver still outperforms pretty much everything else at that price range.

The downside is that it uses pretty ugly looking speakers... That's what everyone complains about - big ugly speakers... Yes, big ugly speakers that sound much better than the competitions HTIB systems with small pretty speakers and underpowered receivers. I am strongly recommending the Onkyo HTIB to my brother who is looking for a inexpensive rockin' surround setup for a cheap theater.

Total budget for a 10 foot screen, projector, and surround: $3,000.00 - He will be very happy I am sure.