Bryston Model T Floorstanding Speakers

[Irvrobinson]

I've been doing this a long time and I don't need "buddies" or reviews to validate what I hear.

Yeah, we've heard that a few times from you. The issue is that what you say about the speakers we have heard isn't making sense. You'll find a lot of people on this forum have been doing this for a long time, some not so long, but I haven't found that mere product ownership confers expertise, in audio equipment or any product for that matter. We all listen for ourselves too. Some of us even use our own recordings for the process.

 

[brianedm]

I don't care if you listen to any of the speakers I have owned but when anyone who hasn't at least heard them then claims to have an opinion it is quite ludicrous. To try to engage when one has no point of reference is silliness taken to a Pythonesque LEVEL.
I do not care about making a good OR bad impression I've laid out my opinion of these speakers, speakers nobody here has heard, and compared them to other good products I have owned. If it's benefits somebody great if not well I won't lose a wink of sleep over it.
I've been doing this a long time and I don't need "buddies" or reviews to validate what I hear.

Why are you on a discussion forum if you don't enjoy the discussion? If only people who'd heard the speakers had posted there'd just be one post from you. Sounds pretty boring

 

[Stedanko]

Yeah, we've heard that a few times from you. The issue is that what you say about the speakers we have heard isn't making sense. You'll find a lot of people on this forum have been doing this for a long time, some not so long, but I haven't found that mere product ownership confers experience, in audio equipment or any product for that matter. We all listen for ourselves too. Some of us even use our own recordings for the process.

Not making sense? Okay I am not enamoured of the Salon2 and prefer the original and the F52. The KEF 207/2 is a superb speaker one of the best.
So then my not fawning all over the Salon2 must "not make sense"? Never said it was a terrible speaker it measures well and does many things very well
so that must be the darned thing that doesn't make sense? LOL.
I can assure you living with a product for months and listening for MANY hours certainly does confer experience with a product or perhaps you think that reading as many reviews as you can about the product is a better way of having "experience conferred" upon oneself? That must be it.
The fact that I find the Bryston to be a superb product well THAT can't be the silliness since nobody here has even heard it. Thanks for the cogent post.

 

[Stedanko]

Why are you on a discussion forum if you don't enjoy the discussion? If only people who'd heard the speakers had posted there'd just be one post from you. Sounds pretty boring

There were 18 pages of discussion about these speakers by people who had never even heard them. Pretty hard to discuss something without knowledge of well you know how they sound since that's what speakers do, they make sounds. Some better than others.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Not making sense? Okay I am not enamoured of the Salon2 and prefer the original and the F52. The KEF 207/2 is a superb speaker one of the best.
So then my not fawning all over the Salon2 must "not make sense"? Never said it was a terrible speaker it measures well and does many things very well
so that must be the darned thing that doesn't make sense? LOL.
I can assure you living with a product for months and listening for MANY hours certainly does confer experience with a product or perhaps you think that reading as many reviews as you can about the product is a better way of having "experience conferred" upon oneself? That must be it.
The fact that I find the Bryston to be a superb product well THAT can't be the silliness since nobody here has even heard it. Thanks for the cogent post.

I apologize for the typographical error of "experience", it should have been "expertise", and though I changed the post within seconds, you caught the original. Obviously, ownership does confer experience.

As for your comments about the Salon 2 not making sense, I was specifically referring to your comments about the imaging of the Bryston being a revelation over that of the Salon 2 and the 207/2. I have heard both of those speakers at length, and their imaging is of such quality that the notion of a revelation about them in imaging seems rather unbelievable, especially since their imaging was so realistic in my tests.

 

[Stedanko]

I apologize for the typographical error of "experience", it should have been "expertise", and though I changed the post within seconds, you caught the original. Obviously, ownership does confer experience.

As for your comments about the Salon 2 not making sense, I was specifically referring to your comments about the imaging of the Bryston being a revelation over that of the Salon 2 and the 207/2. I have heard both of those speakers at length, and their imaging is of such quality that the notion of a revelation about them in imaging seems rather unbelievable, especially since their imaging was so realistic in my tests.

Then I would STRONGLY suggest you audition the Bryston as they soundstage unlike any other large, full range speaker I have ever heard.
Both the KEF and Revel are VERY good at soundstaging the Bryston is just on a different level and a different level from any other of this size. It is not subtle it will be very apparent and quite
quickly.

 

[Steve81]

Hi Stedanko,

I do have a couple of minor questions if you don't mind:
1. Did you get the vinyl wrap? Any thoughts on the fit and finish?
2. I know you mentioned you weren't a fan of Axiom, but wondered if you had possibly heard any to be able to relate any potential "family resemblance".

 

[Stedanko]

Hi Stedanko,

I do have a couple of minor questions if you don't mind:
1. Did you get the vinyl wrap? Any thoughts on the fit and finish?
2. I know you mentioned you weren't a fan of Axiom, but wondered if you had possibly heard any to be able to relate any potential "family resemblance".

Yes I grabbed what I could, these speakers are in demand, and it was black vinyl wrap. Fit and finish is very good in no way approximating what the Soundstage reviewer commented on.
I sold Axiom WAY back when they were in stores in the 80s so I have heard the AX-1, 1.5, 3 and the AX-5. These have no resemblance to the modern product in any way.
I removed one woofer to look inside and these woofers have EXTREMELY heavy magnets, the bracing looked good and they were internally wired with good quality cable.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I hope everyone who buys the Bryston speakers enjoy them.

Just like I hope everyone who buys Axiom speakers enjoy them.

And the same goes for all the speakers and electronics out there.

There is a speaker and amp for everyone, and we don't have to like the same things.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I sold Axiom WAY back when they were in stores in the 80s..

Are you a dealer?

 

[cpp]

Yes I grabbed what I could, these speakers are in demand, and it was black vinyl wrap. Fit and finish is very good in no way approximating what the Soundstage reviewer commented on.
I sold Axiom WAY back when they were in stores in the 80s so I have heard the AX-1, 1.5, 3 and the AX-5. These have no resemblance to the modern product in any way.
I removed one woofer to look inside and these woofers have EXTREMELY heavy magnets, the bracing looked good and they were internally wired with good quality cable.

Can I ask which dealer did you get them from ?

 

[Irvrobinson]

Then I would STRONGLY suggest you audition the Bryston as they soundstage unlike any other large, full range speaker I have ever heard.
Both the KEF and Revel are VERY good at soundstaging the Bryston is just on a different level and a different level from any other of this size. It is not subtle it will be very apparent and quite
quickly.

I will, if I get the chance, because you have lit up my curiosity.

 

[Stedanko]

Are you a dealer?

Nope worked in a store for a couple years during university.

 

[Stedanko]

I will, if I get the chance, because you have lit up my curiosity.

I am very pleased Irv this experience will not let you down.

 

[cpp]

I am very please Irv this experience will not let you down.

Originally Posted by Stedanko
Yes I grabbed what I could, these speakers are in demand, and it was black vinyl wrap. Fit and finish is very good in no way approximating what the Soundstagereviewer commented on.
I sold Axiom WAY back when they were in stores in the 80s so I have heard the AX-1, 1.5, 3 and the AX-5. These have no resemblance to the modern product in any way.
I removed one woofer to look inside and these woofers have EXTREMELY heavy magnets, the bracing looked good and they were internally wired with good quality cable.



Can I ask which dealer did you get them from ? If your within 500 miles maybe a audition can be arranged.. Tanner told me in my location or anywhere close (States) will get them as yet so I asked him how about a location in the South,.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I will, if I get the chance, because you have lit up my curiosity.

It ain't the first time you've heard people making all sorts of claims.

It's great that owners are happy with their purchases, but come on, please.

 

[Irvrobinson]

It ain't the first time you've heard people making all sorts of claims.

It's great that owners are happy with their purchases, but come on, please.

It never hurts to listen. It's been a while since I found an excuse to get to an audio store. I checked, and there is a Bryston dealer in my city, though in a rather inconvenient location for me. I'm planning to call them this week and see if the T is available for audition.

 

[cpp]

It never hurts to listen. It's been a while since I found an excuse to get to an audio store. I checked, and there is a Bryston dealer in my city, though in a rather inconvenient location for me. I'm planning to call them this week and see if the T is available for audition.

I would love to hear them, especially the Bryston Mini T's bookshelfs but according to James Tanner and the Bryston speaker dealer list, Bryston Limited: Exclusive Speaker Dealers USA there are NO speaker dealers in GA, FL, NC, SC, VA so how does one hear them. Heck there is not even a speaker dealer in NYC according to the list. I asked Stedanko where he got his, but no response.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It never hurts to listen. It's been a while since I found an excuse to get to an audio store. I checked, and there is a Bryston dealer in my city, though in a rather inconvenient location for me. I'm planning to call them this week and see if the T is available for audition.

There's no magic beans.

If I ever ACCIDENTALLY stumble across these speakers and trip over them , I'll listen to them just like I would listen to any other speakers from any other brands.

But I have absolutely no desire to even call any dealers to find out. Unequivocally no curiosity whatsoever. Utterly Zippo.

I sure as heck wouldn't drive out of my way to hear them.

I'm not going to give any gravitas to every single claim about any speaker that just somehow manages to have better this or that compared to every other speaker.

How do I know if I have never heard them? Because I have heard a hundred other speakers that have made the same claim. Every single speaker has limitations, no exceptions.

And there ain't no magic beans.

 

[Adam]

...gravitas...

This seems to be your new favorite word.