Bookshelf comparasion Paradigm vs Polk

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Nick250

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chicomoralessxm said:
. are the 20's harsh like klipsch kinda hard not the same i guess since they use a horn tweeter but a more in your face sound??
The Studio 20's are quite the opposite of harsh, I find them very smooth sounding. At least the v2 and v3 that I have heard.

Nick
 
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chicomoralessxm

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Nick250 said:
The Studio 20's are quite the opposite of harsh, I find them very smooth sounding. At least the v2 and v3 that I have heard.

Nick
Ok thanks for clarifying i was asking not stating. I've been told they are or do sound much larger than you would expect from a bookshelf?? Do you think thats a just verdict. I dont have the cash for them right now but would buying the lower model be a good idea as in the monitor series. or should i just save for them and in the mean time get a more inexpensive alternative?? just your opinion... are they worth waiting for............
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

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chicomoralessxm said:
Hye thanks for the suggustion. Its true we all have different tastes in some respects, but experience i dont really have with all those brands and sounds. I would love love to demo the paradigm and the reviews on ascend psb seem good as well only prob is no dealor nearby. my constraints are more with space right now so i'm leaning toward the bookshelves. studio 20's look nice but how do they sound impressive depending on how or what your ears like. But i might get them as my second pair of speakers my choices are basically the polks which i can get for 320+ or the monitor 3's $500 and now well i'm seriously consider the psb b25.
Well I can easily say that the Studio 20 v.3's are in a different class with respect to the Rti6's, Mini's, and the Monitor 3's. There really is no comparison. Heck, the Studio 20's are better that most tower speakers I have heard as well as having much better imaging. The ONLY thing a good tower has on the 20's is dynamic capablity. In other words, a good tower speaker will no doubt play louder and fill a room easier w/sound but by doing so most designs give up imaging as a trade-off. Keep in mind too that the
20's are very open and airy as well as producing some of the best midbass articulation I have ever heard out of a stand-mounted speaker. This is especially true with how the 20's handle the transients contained in good recordings these days. Therfore, given the budget constraints you set forth you owe it to yourself to at least demo the Ascend 170SE's since many people feel they are as good if not better than the Studio 20 v.3's. Once again, you have to decide for yourself. Good luck in your decision.
 
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chicomoralessxm

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speakerman39 said:
Well I can easily say that the Studio 20 v.3's are in a different class with respect to the Rti6's, Mini's, and the Monitor 3's. There really is no comparison. Heck, the Studio 20's are better that most tower speakers I have heard as well as having much better imaging. The ONLY thing a good tower has on the 20's is dynamic capablity. In other words, a good tower speaker will no doubt play louder and fill a room easier w/sound but by doing so most designs give up imaging as a trade-off. Keep in mind too that the
20's are very open and airy as well as producing some of the best midbass articulation I have ever heard out of a stand-mounted speaker. This is especially true with how the 20's handle the transients contained in good recordings these days. Therfore, given the budget constraints you set forth you owe it to yourself to at least demo the Ascend 170SE's since many people feel they are as good if not better than the Studio 20 v.3's. Once again, you have to decide for yourself. Good luck in your decision.
Gracias thanks for your reply. In fact everyones. I find the 20's very appealing and prob they will be a definate speaker of the future for me. comparing them with the polkrti6 or the psbb25 is truly apples and orange not just that they are a different speaker. but a superior line no doubt i was not really thinking the lsi might be more fitting i guess so i think right now i'm narrowing my options down to the rti6, psbb25 para monitor 3 and hmm focal 705v or chorus 707s does anyone know the prices on these models in the states???

the ascend looks nice.......well i've been told sounds awesome but well its kinda looks not on the pretty side to me. I will for sure check out the studio 20 latter in 2007 might take a trip to the nearest dealor in PR and audition them they are like 900 and i hear a new version is coming out soon v4 i believe.
 
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GreenJelly

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I think your compairing Hamburgers and Cheese burgers, that cost as much as a steak.

If you want a steak, go with B&W 600 series. 602's are $500, and 603's sell for $500 on EBay used... I recommend you start bidding on Ebay.

To make sense of this arguement please read (its a short read, everyone should read. And in all honesty, the second post should be a sticky at the top of EVERY forum)

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4004

Mike
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Another shameless plug for PSB

chicomoralessxm said:
Gracias thanks for your reply. In fact everyones. I find the 20's very appealing and prob they will be a definate speaker of the future for me. comparing them with the polkrti6 or the psbb25 is truly apples and orange not just that they are a different speaker. but a superior line no doubt i was not really thinking the lsi might be more fitting i guess so i think right now i'm narrowing my options down to the rti6, psbb25 para monitor 3 and hmm focal 705v or chorus 707s does anyone know the prices on these models in the states???

the ascend looks nice.......well i've been told sounds awesome but well its kinda looks not on the pretty side to me. I will for sure check out the studio 20 latter in 2007 might take a trip to the nearest dealor in PR and audition them they are like 900 and i hear a new version is coming out soon v4 i believe.
My entire HT system is built around PSB. I've auditioned Axioms beofre they went internet only, and Paradigm monitor series and I ended up with PSB. To my ears, they drew me into the soundfield rather than tossing it at me. This is true for the entire Image line of PSB. I own the T45s, older Image 8c(Image C40) and Image 1Bs (Image B15) . I don't feel the need to upgarde from these speakers at all.

I've auditioned the B25s and I found them to be an all round great performer. Their greatest strengths would be the midrange which is just phenomenal and so life like. Their other great forte is their imaging ability, to precisely lay down a wide open soundstage. I've heard pricier Revel speakers at the same dealer and the B25s smoked them in that department. The bass is tight, fast and controlled and it wont try and play deep bass it wasn't designed to do at the risk of screwing up the sound. The highs are revealing and silky soft without being harsh or analytical. Take a listen for yourself. have fun
 
tonay

tonay

Junior Audioholic
Hello

A pair of Focal 707's sold on ebay for 399 last week NITB. Personally, I haven't hear the 707's but the 706's were great.

One question on the Focal V series. Do you know if the 700V and the 800V are the same speaker w/ the 800 looking fancier? On the website - only the asthetics are spoken of as a difference.
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
I was just having that discussion with someone else on another forum.

The 800 does look fancier, but he pointed out that the frequency response of the tweeters are the same but the tweeter on the 800 V is better, and uses the Al/Mg while the 700 V does not.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Nick250 said:
The Studio 20's are quite the opposite of harsh, I find them very smooth sounding. At least the v2 and v3 that I have heard.

Nick
I find them fairly bright. I don't find their response to be my particular taste, though I do like them. On the flip side of that, I feel the same way about the Ascends. They sound great, but not quite my ideal speaker.
 
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Nick250

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I agree, they are a bit bright. Since I got the Denon with Audyssey that is remedied. My room is pretty tame anyhow with wall to wall carpeting, drapes and soft furniture.

Nick
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
A friend has some v3 20s hooked up to a tube system. THAT was impressive; easily the best I've ever heard them sound... I used to own 5s, 370, + Minis and I found those bright too, so when I bought my current speakers, they seemed a bit too soft in the highs. Now, when I listen to brighter speakers, any brightness really stands out to me.
 
tonay

tonay

Junior Audioholic
Hey

Check ebay and audigon for the Focal Cobalt 806's. Those speakers have gotten rave reviews and are a noticible step up vs. the 700 Chorus head to head. The cobalt's are also discontinued so deals are out there.

I was searching for a $500 pair of speakers. My decision after hearing what was out there was to keep saving my money (for Focal 806V's). Even a jump to $600 is easily noticible if you can hear them head to head. That's why I gave up on PSB.

Get ideas from these boards, listen to as many as possible, decide what you like and hunt the deal if budget is tight.
 
tonay

tonay

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emorphien said:
I was just having that discussion with someone else on another forum.

The 800 does look fancier, but he pointed out that the frequency response of the tweeters are the same but the tweeter on the 800 V is better, and uses the Al/Mg while the 700 V does not.
Howdy

I was looking over the website and they both list the TNV tweeter which is Al/mg.

http://www.focal.tm.fr/home/downloaden/chorus800V/notice-chorusv.pdf

Look at page 7. The specs are listed as the same for any of the models
 
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emorphien

emorphien

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tonay said:
Howdy

I was looking over the website and they both list the TNV tweeter which is Al/mg.

http://www.focal.tm.fr/home/downloaden/chorus800V/notice-chorusv.pdf

Look at page 7. The specs are listed as the same for any of the models
I don't know, on other sections of their website and in other PDF documents they don't specify the 700V series tweeter as Al/Mg. It's definitely a bit confusing but I'm not sure we've conclusive evidence to know either way at this point.

edit: of course it gets more confusing because they also start mentioning improved internal bracing and bass port design in the 800 V series. How much of that they can accomplish without increasing the weight, I don't know. Perhaps it is mostly in the finish, which would be somewhat disappointing (although perhaps proving the 700 series to be an even better deal then).
 
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chicomoralessxm

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I'm looking at preferablely getting my speakers from a dealor either polks or the paradigm, psb or focal (same dealor) due to shipping costs buying stuff off ebay is a little bit of a hassle since i'm located down south. Smaller sutff sure. That being said i'm trying to get an idea of three things price performance and pretty looks that is) i know what the polks para's will cost what will the psb b25 cost and the focal Chorus 707s?? Chorus 706v cost?
Also the dealor has some models he says are demo versions are these a good idea?? and finally sorry to be a pest, out of those models i mention for music mainly with either a int amp like the CA540 or a NAD or maybe a rxv659 receiver let a in a mid sized room. Which speaker will give me the best performance and versatility for me an the wife(no audiphile like me lol) to enjoy my music????

kinda long sorry
 
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GreenJelly

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Any used high end speaker is great, as long as the manufacturer supplies replacement drivers. As far as demo versions, they come with a full warrenty and are treated as new speakers.

High end Speakers wont age anymore, they will last for one hundred years. Everything, even paper is now treated with polymers that prevent cracking as they age.

High end speakers dont break like low end. In low end speakers, if you abuse them, the paper and materials strech out and cause them to sound bad (worse then they already do). In addition, they tend to age and the cones break. The low end speakers usually come with an AMP, and are not powered enough to cause damage to the speakers, even if the amp clips.

I will post a reply I made earlier... some of it will apply to you, other parts wont..

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=224008&postcount=12

GreenJelly said:
[NEW INTRO]First of all... If your looking for LOUD, then you dont need to go much farther then your local Circuit City, and nothing in this post will help you. All of the speakers suggested here, and in this thread are VERY LOUD. Infact, we wont even talk about LOUD, because this level of performance is expected. What we want is sound quality. Sound Quality is the reproduction of sound that meets your unique requirements. These requirements are both Biological and Mental. Meaning that your ears and your head is different then EVERYONE elses, so you are the ONLY one to decide what is good and what is bad. The more money you spend, the more you tend to get a very exact reproduction of sound based on mechanical and human based methods of testing. That is assuming you dont buy snake oil.
[END INTRO]

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The reason I say this is because these speakers are all about a great listening sound, however as you pass the $2000+ mark, you will find that you also pass the mark that allows you to place speakers anywhere. Simply put, you are facing the law of diminishing returns, and that law assumes you have a good listening environment, great power source, etc. If you dont, then your $10,000 speakers wont sound much better then the B&W 604's or Thiel CS.5's.

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There is allot more to this, then I am able to discuss in this thread. However at higher price ranges, amps become very important, and amps that are seperate from the PreAmp are a good choice.

You should also think about sound dampening materials or other attempts to prevent sound from bouncing off walls. Deep bass will rattle the windows so you must think about choosing windows that are more suitable for this application. Once again its based on your listening preference. I tend not to play music loud, so vibrations dont play a big roll.

If you have anything that makes background noise in the room, that you cant silence, then you just cannot justify the cost of high price speakers.

Speaker position is the single biggest factor in sound quality. Placing speakers against a wall is a no-no. Sitting with your back to a wall is bad, etc.. Small listening rooms are bad, big rooms are great and almost a necessity.

Just some things to consider... Also, dont buy into the expensive wire sales pitch. Buy the cheap stuff that people here can link you to. The sales man will do everything possible to sell you Expensive speaker wire... Simply refuse. If hes presistant, tell him that all evidence and studies have proved that Expensive Speaker Wire simply is not any better then regular copper wire. If he continues to push the topic, tell him that you will not shop with him if he continues to insist on high end speaker wire or if they wont support the speakers due to inexpensive speaker wire. I personally will tell a sales man, "To stop talking about speaker wire, or you will quickly find me walking out of the door"

Any recordings made before 1980 will have a natural hiss do to the age of the analog recordings used in the Digital -> Analog process. If you prefer old music, then expect this hiss. Check your recordings, if you want to listen to music with a hiss, then it doesnt matter much if you buy the B&W 600 serries or $100,000 speakers. Live recordings tend to contain feedback from the huge monitor speakers, again reducing the quality of the recording. Though sometimes you can find some amazing live recordings (Tool's discontiued CD/DVD combo has a few amazing live recordings). Distortion pedals give distortion. Again, it doesnt matter if you spend $1000 or $100,000. You will just have hiqher quality reproduction of distortion. Which supprisingly sounds like distortion.

My speakers will pick up the rumble of near by train tracks near one of the local radio station I listen to... It comes through the base, and cant be heard... but its there.

Mike
 
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GreenJelly

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Lastly... Stop... I cant say it any better then this... so you got to stop what your doing, and you got to go do the work

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21537&postcount=2

hopjohn said:
Some of the posts admittedly get just about as silly as what follows. Maybe new posters can use the following as an example of what to search for before posting a redundant thread.


I could really use some help

I'm looking for the best hamburger I can buy for under $2.00. I really like the Burger King Whopper and the McDonald's Big Mac but am hearing good things about the Wendy's single also. Can anyone help me determine what the best burger is? I'm kind of a newbie and need help being pointed in the right direction. I think that Big Mac is not grilled, so doesn't it keep that nice beefy, fatty appeal? Also, it comes with its own proprietary sauce, or is it just thousand island dressing? I like the idea that Whopper can be custom built, but I'm not much of DIY kinda guy, so maybe I can get some expertise in that area. I think the Wendy's Single has more of solid build to it, and it seems to come with the widest array of condiments in its stock configuration. Then of course I guess I should consider the quality of the the condiments that going into making these fine pieces of goodness. I mean if you don't use name brand condiments how good can the end result really be. I think that the Heinz vs. Hunt's arguments holds some weight. And what of the lettuce, is it plain vanilla iceburg, or do any of them use a finer quality leaf? Hellman's mayonaise seems to be a front runner, but maybe their is another brand that is capable of producing a better flavor. For my money I think right now the Whopper with its special 99 cents sale is the value leader, but maybe spending twice as much might be worth it for all the extra bells and whisltes you get with the other burgers on the menu. The hot Wheels cars in the value meals or the monopoly piece at certain times of the year during promotions are quite a nice feature. This is all so much to think about that it has become quite overwhelming. Any help would be greatly appeciated.

:D
 
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chicomoralessxm

Audioholic
hmm thanks immensely for.................well hey not much i'm simply trying to get valuable info...maybe you may not equate it as such......but hey thats why I post it. so since you seem to be unwilling to contribute something worthwhile thanks for nothing. Unlike you who may have the 'luxury' demoing models maybe trying them out.hmm i dont so I well useful for me to input or advice for others who have exposure and expertise that all.
 
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chicomoralessxm

Audioholic
chicomoralessxm said:
I'm looking at preferablely getting my speakers from a dealor either polks or the paradigm, psb or focal (same dealor) due to shipping costs buying stuff off ebay is a little bit of a hassle since i'm located down south. Smaller sutff sure. That being said i'm trying to get an idea of three things price performance and pretty looks that is) i know what the polks para's will cost what will the psb b25 cost and the focal Chorus 707s?? Chorus 706v cost?
Also the dealor has some models he says are demo versions are these a good idea?? and finally sorry to be a pest, out of those models i mention for music mainly with either a int amp like the CA540 or a NAD or maybe a rxv659 receiver let a in a mid sized room. Which speaker will give me the best performance and versatility for me an the wife(no audiphile like me lol) to enjoy my music????

kinda long sorry
anyone have info to share on this post thanks in advance
 
tonay

tonay

Junior Audioholic
At my $500, deal or no deal Focal blew PSB away (705 chorus vs. whatever was price matched and $200 beyond just for effect. My local dealer could see I could tell the difference and kept plugging in what he had at high $ - he really sold me personally on Focal) No contest - thank you good night. But those are my ears (loving rum and Bello hot sauce).

For me - dealer demo's depend on the dealer. You're in the carribean, been many places there so...if he's blasting the junkaroo for the tourists 10 hrs/day, pass. If he's a legit store then get the warrenty and see. The harsh sea conditions will determine your speaker's life vs. normal play.

My suggestion would be list to paradigm studio 20's (v3 close outs) vs. focal monitors whatever you can best afford. Decide which you like as they seem to be the consencious picks. My paradigm audition was lack luster to say the least. Also - FYI - you better have a sub. Otherwise- $500 ain't gunna cut it. I'm also looking at the same reciever (Yammie vr659- the Focal 800v's sound great thru it).


Good luck
 
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