STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

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My neice has one. The only animals that I've seen take bigger dumps had hooves.:eek: I know this because I helped my neice and her husband move into their house. The dog seemed keen on marking her new territory. Several times. And, not in the yard.:eek: It was like creeping through a minefield, while carrying furniture...
Everyone comments about the size of there dumps... It's one of the benefits. They are always easy to locate.:)



In the house is not good though...:D
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

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After I throw up the insulation, I'll remember this when I run YPAO again.
I think you're skipping steps. You might give YPAO a fair chance at success by establishing a proper xo point, experimenting with the sub phase and isolating the subs. On my rec'r there are multiple memory setting and yours is newer so you could probably set for Lsub, Rsub, L&Rsubs and all options in and out of phase. Then you could do all that again at the next xo point.

Your calibration is like my entertainment center ... not done!!! :eek: :D :p

Throwing up insulation ... do a search for nibhaz's latter posts for some excellent info on what happens with that corner trap thing regarding size and insulation density. It's not too hard to find the pertinent posts and the info is great.

Happy hunting. :)
 
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I think you're skipping steps. You might give YPAO a fair chance at success by establishing a proper xo point, experimenting with the sub phase and isolating the subs. On my rec'r there are multiple memory setting and yours is newer so you could probably set for Lsub, Rsub, L&Rsubs and all options in and out of phase. Then you could do all that again at the next xo point.

Your calibration is like my entertainment center ... not done!!! :eek: :D :p

Throwing up insulation ... do a search for nibhaz's latter posts for some excellent info on what happens with that corner trap thing regarding size and insulation density. It's not too hard to find the pertinent posts and the info is great.

Happy hunting. :)
Well, I know I skipped some steps recently, due to being a bit wooly-headed lately, but I have gone through the setup properly before and the problem was definitley there.

Today, I installed a pair of "superchunk" bass traps in the front corners, using safe n' sound and a pair of panel traps behind the mains (which are back behind the screen again).

The superchunks are 19" x 19" x 27" and the panel traps are 16" x 48" x 6". I've run YPAO again, after setting the x-over at 80Hz, everything set to small. I'm pretty beat right now, so I'm not going to try any tones tonight. I just have a hockey game right now, which isn't going to provide much in the way of bass, so I can't really say what effects the treatments are having.

I might try some tones tomorrow, or watch something with some bass in it. We'll see. Later...

Oh, and thanks for the help Alex. It was informative and not the least bit inflammatory.:D
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

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Oh, and thanks for the help Alex. It was informative and not the least bit inflammatory.:D
This time it's turkey chili I had to laugh around but I just wanna say if
you need me to help you, you're in real trouble ... I mean you're welcome. :D

Good going on the sound absorption.
It's all a work in progress and for me. By the time I get one piece of gear figured out it's out dated anyway. :rolleyes:
 
caper26

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Did you say you have tried reversing the phase? This made a huge audible difference in my upstairs setup.
 
GO-NAD!

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This time it's turkey chili I had to laugh around but I just wanna say if
you need me to help you, you're in real trouble ... I mean you're welcome. :D

Good going on the sound absorption.
It's all a work in progress and for me. By the time I get one piece of gear figured out it's out dated anyway. :rolleyes:
Hey, you reminded me to set "skip" after making manual adjustments before running YPAO. If any tip you give me from now on is completely retarded, I'll still be grateful.;)
 
STRONGBADF1

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Hey, you reminded me to set "skip" after making manual adjustments before running YPAO. If any tip you give me from now on is completely retarded, I'll still be grateful.;)
Did you get a dog yet?
 
GO-NAD!

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Did you say you have tried reversing the phase? This made a huge audible difference in my upstairs setup.
Yeah, I've done that. It did make a difference, but it's not night and day. Since putting up the treatments, I'll have to go through that excercise again, just to see if that has any influence.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

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If any tip you give me from now on is completely retarded, I'll still be grateful.;)
Okay, here's a pretty useful one with Rives. I sit in the primary listening position and hold it (the SPL meter) in my hand. That way when I find a huge dip or peak I can wave my arm around and see what happens at different seating positions. I use to set the meter on a tripod and then try walking around it to get readings but then I always wondered if I was scewing the measurement and it afforded me no opportunity to see that the seat on the left had th best bass response and the seat on the right is where bass dies. The primary position has a peak/null like yours just lower down the FR curve. For me it is a room related issue that's not present two feet over.

As you've already noticed the null is much more tolerable than the peak. That goes to TLS' comment about sins of omission and sins of commission. No doubt it all sounds pretty good for 'normal' people.

Call your kid over to check out the doggies.

 
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Dogs rule! You need a Great Dane!:cool:





Turn YPAO off and get your positioning as close as possible. (mains first then subs) Then get panels & traps (if you are definitely going to) and then run YPAO. EQ should always be the last thing.

I don't know if this is good info or not but may be worth experimenting with...
Cardas Audio
*Clarification* While you are playing with positioning. Set you size, x-over, distance and level....just wait too EQ.


I also wanted to get that Great Dane picture in front of you again.:D
 
GO-NAD!

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I don't think it's going to work. The people of Canada hate dogs. :D
Au contraire, my friend. Please don't get the impression that I don't like dogs - I love dogs. Our home life is just not compatible to having a dog. My wife and I both work and I don't like the thought of leaving a dog home alone all day. If one of us was a stay-at-home...you know....like you;), it would be different. we probably would have a dog.

As mentioned, my niece has a Great Dane and my sister has two German Shepherd mixes. Perhaps someday...

In the meantime, since you spend so much time at home, maybe you should think about getting a dog...:D

I'm hoping the girls go out this evening, so that I can run some test tones and see what last weekend's work did for/to me. My initial subjective impression is that the peak has been tamed down a fair bit, which seems to be helping dialog clarity. Not between my wife and I, of course:rolleyes:, but in TV programming. I haven't really had a chance to listen to something that will be more revealing, but soon...
 
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Well, they didn't go out, but I got to do some testing anyway, while they were home. Hmmm, something wrong with that. They must want something...

I have to say, the bass traps did wonders! Before I installed them, I had that peak at 100Hz. Not only that, from 80 Hz down, the FR dropped off quite steeply, no matter what I did with the phase switches on my subs. I know they aren't "serious" subwoofers, but they're better than what I was reading on the SPL meter. The Rives CD has just 1/3 octave tones, but that's all I had time to use last night. Instead of that 100Hz peak, I now have almost flat response from 100Hz down to 31.5Hz. 25Hz is 5db below that line, which would be pretty much all I could expect from these subs.

My subjective impressions are in line with the readings I got. I find these CDs to be good references for bass quality: AIG High Resolution Recordings: The Bellingham Sessions Volumes 1 and 2. I had used Vol 1 while trying to work out my bass issues. It had sounded great on my 2-channel rig, but terrible in the HT. The bass was bloated and seemed to overpower the accompanying instruments. I tried it again last night and it sounded a lot better, with all the instruments sounding much more balanced. Watching a bit of TV indicated that dialog was more clear as well.

My wife asked me if I was finally happy. I replied, "I'm happi....er". I received the :rolleyes: in response. Subwoofer FR that drops off in the high 20s just isn't going to cut it over the long haul. And, I now have a couple of fairly deep dips around 200Hz and 500-600Hz. Not sure what to do about those. They certainly aren't as noticeable as the former peak was, so they are easier to live with. Further testing with 1/6 octave, or better, tones is in order.

All-in-all, the time, effort and cost (about $140) was well worth it.:)
 
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Latest Addition...

Just finished this yesterday. I bought a blind dovetail jig to use with my router about 10 years ago. This is the first time I've used it (for assembling the drawers) and I'm not sure I really like it that much. Setup is so touchy that I could've cut the dovetails by hand in the same time it took to set this stupid thing up. Hmmm, maybe I'm the stupid thing. The pine came from the same tree that supplied the boards for my stereo component stand.
 

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Nice work on the drawer thing but it seems overly complicated to me. A nice cardboard box on the closet floor probably would have been easier and for sure faster. :p

Nice going on taming the room. I just caught this today. :)
 
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Did some low frequency testing last evening, while the girls were out. The bass traps have done wonders for the hump at 100 - 120 Hz. Now I have a dip just below the 80Hz crossover point. At first, there was a 20 db peak around 36 Hz, but 50 - 80 Hz was fairly flat. I dropped the gain on both subs to reduce that peak, but that created the 50 - 80 dip. Not sure how to resolve that. I didn't have a chance to run YPAO before the girls got home, after dropping the sub gains. I think I'll try some readings with EQ off and see what that gives me. Might try messing around with the sub phase switches, as well. I had also tried taking readings with each sub running alone, but it didn't make much difference. I have another dip around 315 Hz, but it's narrow and not really a concern. Man, resolving these issues is not easy!:mad:
 

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