Blue Jeans Strikes Back

[fmw]

Someone mentioned earlier about recovery of legal fees (not enough time to go back and look up who it was right now).

As I recall in cases like this, should it goto trial, the winner is entitled to have their legal fees paid by the loser so long as those fees are reasonable and properly submitted by the winning sides lawyers. This is to prevent large groups with lots of money from making a bunch of frivolous lawsuits against smaller companies until the small company can no longer afford to defend itself. To be a fair and just law though it needs to let the big company recover reasonable fees should their claim be a real one.

Hope this helps those who are interested.

It is not even close to true. I personally have won lawsuits that cost more to litigate than the amount for which I was sued. Recovering legal fees is quite rare. The legal profession doesn't like the practice because it is bad for business.

 

[markw]

I do find this interesting.

It is not even close to true. I personally have won lawsuits that cost more to litigate than the amount for which I was sued. Recovering legal fees is quite rare. The legal profession doesn't like the practice because it is bad for business.

Litigators get paid wether they win or lose so why not take a friviolous case? Both lawyers win and some poor schmoe who was forced into the situation and most likely can't afford it foots the bill.

That's why companies with no conscience can get away with this. The little guy can't afford to defend himself and, even if he wins, he looses. AFAICT, it's a form of legal extortion that's supported by those who gain from it.

Please don't take this as directed at you. It just touches at something that's been on my mind for years. I do find Monster Cables' lawyers take on this amusing.

http://www.monstergreed.com/Index with info about MC.htm

 

[Sonicus]

I'm backing Kurt on this one.

I'm really curious to see what Monster presents as specifics to back it's "case".

If Monster proceeds and then is found to have launched a frivolous suit, it's prolly gonna cost it big...

 

[AbyssalLoris]

I express complete support to Kurt in his decision to resist, and if necessary, fight, the monster. As someone else earlier in this thread mentioned, I would be willing to offer any contribution possible to a defense fund for this cause.

I have been a Blue Jeans customer before, and needless to say, will be so evermore. Although I had no previous respect for Monster Cable, this development has ensured that I will cease and desist from purchases of any products offered by that company, come what may. Not only this, I will also actively advise any interested minds and any potential buyers I come in contact with against buying Monster brand products. While I may have done so out of a desire to educate the consumer in the past, my effort will now be redoubled as I am impassioned by their outrage.

I may even consider renewing my belief in God, just so that I might have the privilege of offering daily prayer, beseeching the Almighty to help us consign Monster to the remotest reaches of oblivion, whence, I shall be pleased to feast upon its remains and dance on the ashes of its ruin...

...that last bit might have gotten a little out of control ... ahem... but y'all know what I mean.

 

[Djizasse]

Are the monsters still quiet? Any update?

 

[Griffy]

Great to see someone standing up to Monster, and with a good product range, no bulls**t website and great prices to match! Kurt posting on here, and willing to make everything open can only be a good thing, if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear.

It makes me wanna go support Blue Jeans cable too. I have just bought myself a Yahama RX-V1700 and KEF 5.1 speaker package to go along side my ps3, and I need cables! I'm soon to be deployed to Afghanistan with the Royal Air Force (British and best ) for 4 months, so it will have to wait till I get back, but I will keep in touch with 'monster' events, and of course other forum posts while away from home. A great website and forum..

Go get em Kurt!

 

[mtrycrafts]

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http://www.monstergreed.com/Index with info about MC.htm

Thanks. That is what I was remembering.

 

[fmw]

I'm backing Kurt on this one.

I'm really curious to see what Monster presents as specifics to back it's "case".

If Monster proceeds and then is found to have launched a frivolous suit, it's prolly gonna cost it big...

I doubt the issue will go anywhere. Monster isn't likely to authorize a lawsuit against someone who knows what he's doing and will fight back. they'll shrug their shoulders and move on to the next one.

This stuff is what you get when your country has less than 5% of the world's population with 70% of its lawyers. They just need to close the law schools 4 out of every five years to cut down the glut of lawyers.

 

[mtrycrafts]

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This stuff is what you get when your country has less than 5% of the world's population with 70% of its lawyers. They just need to close the law schools 4 out of every five years to cut down the glut of lawyers.

You think that would keep that Monster from having a lawyer on staff to sue anyone and everyone? Probably more so as they can afford it and the smaller outfits will never have one to afford. The problem gets worse, not better.

 

[AdrianMills]

You think that would keep that Monster from having a lawyer on staff to sue anyone and everyone? Probably more so as they can afford it and the smaller outfits will never have one to afford. The problem gets worse, not better.

Probably, but that's only because people in the US currently have an incredibly litigious mindset. People appear to believe that it's a sign of a "free" society but really, do most of you feel any more free with all that litigation going on or just a little uneasy?

 

[markw]

this is a perfect example of "mission creep"

Probably, but that's only because people in the US currently have an incredibly litigious mindset. People appear to believe that it's a sign of a "free" society but really, do most of you feel any more free with all that litigation going on or just a little uneasy?

Although I see what you're saying here, I think this would be an excellent candidate for a new thread, thereby leaving the MC/BJC slug-fest the main focus of this thread.

And, yes, I do have an opinion on this but I'll refrain from stating it in his thread.

 

[Billybob]

A self-screwed monster

Monster has to fight.

If they are so sure that they are being infringed, to the point of sending a C&D letter to the alleged offender, then they imply that they have done their homework and have come to a reasonable conclusion that Blue Jeans Cable has in some form or fashion infringed upon IP that is rightfully theirs.

If they see the letter and realize that they pissed on the wrong fire hydrant, then back down, they imply that their case was meritless and that they sent it out as a form of extortion.

Is there any legal recourse for those that Monster has done this to in the past?

I'm hoping to see a response from Monster.

Kurt, I'm willing to donate a nice old pair of size 10½'s for you to place firmly and deeply in a place where the sun don't shine in the head Monster and his henchmen. (I might need a couple pair)

 

[gliz]

II am sick of Monster and I have been long before all this started. I am sick of the over priced,over hyped BS claims. I am a bass player and I will not even buy there cables for instruments anymore. If BJC starts making guitar cables, I want some !! Keep up the fight!!

Chris

 

[westcott]

And, when you really find out about their intimidating practice of going after anyone who has 'Monster' in their business name, regardless of what they sell, clothing, ski school for kids, Disney with their movies, etc, perhaps you too can convince all your friends to stay away from them.

Although I agree that persuading friends and family to stay away from companies like Monster is good advice, it can be difficult. Marketing is a powerful tool, especially when showered upon the uneducated.

Try saying a bad thing about Bose speakers at a gathering and just wait for all of the uneducated remarks made defending the company and its products by those who own them. It is almost a lose lose proposition. None of them want to hear it, you are not going to change their minds, and you will probably get a proverbial "black eye" in the process.

 

[gliz]

Although I agree that persuading friends and family to stay away from companies like Monster is good advice, it can be difficult. Marketing is a powerful tool, especially when showered upon the uneducated.

Try saying a bad thing about Bose speakers at a gathering and just wait for all of the uneducated remarks made defending the company and its products by those who own them. It is almost a lose lose proposition. None of them want to hear it, you are not going to change their minds, and you will probably get a proverbial "black eye" in the process.

LOL that is true people do love their bose, untill they come to may house for movie night

 

[stratman]

II am sick of Monster and I have been long before all this started. I am sick of the over priced,over hyped BS claims. I am a bass player and I will not even buy there cables for instruments anymore. If BJC starts making guitar cables, I want some !! Keep up the fight!!

Chris

They'll make them for you, Belden with Canare terminations.

 

[gliz]

They'll make them for you, Belden with Canare terminations.

GREAT as soon as payday gets her I need a 20 footer thanks stratman !!

 

[Jack Hammer]

Try saying a bad thing about Bose speakers at a gathering and just wait for all of the uneducated remarks made defending the company and its products by those who own them. It is almost a lose lose proposition. None of them want to hear it, you are not going to change their minds, and you will probably get a proverbial "black eye" in the process.

...And be forever relegated to being labeled "an audio snob" in their minds.

Jack

 

[stratman]

...And be forever relegated to being labeled "an audio snob" in their minds.

Jack

Exactly, but ironic because their systems aren't exactly cheap, some border on high-end tier pricing.

 

[westcott]

...And be forever relegated to being labeled "an audio snob" in their minds.

Jack

Well, as my father always used to say "Half the people in this world are below average!"