best receiver

[mazersteven]

hey just wondering which is the best possible receiver you can get. Price is not a factor. Just say you have a the B&W diamond series speakers.!!! are there any better than the yamaha rxz11...

With the caliber of speaker like the B&W Diamond. Your not going to want to use a receiver. Separates would be the way to go. JMO

 

[mazersteven]

If you've got the coins , get McIntosh home page: http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/


Get the McIntosh MX136 Pre-Amplifier/Processor ~ $10,000
http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/1078.asp

Get the McIntosh MC2KW Power Amplifier
http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/mcintosh-mc2kw-2000-watt-reference-power-amplifier.asp ~ $30,000

Take it easy there big guy. That might be a little overkill there for these speakers.

 

[Midcow2]

Take it easy there big guy. That might be a little overkill there for these speakers.

you're right Mazer LOL

I have always loved McIntosh even 40 years ago when I was a young adult

 

[mazersteven]

Price is no object i heard something about a $30,000 receiver that is supposedly the best.

I own it and am willing to sell it to you for $20,000. PM me, and I will give the details where to send the cash.

Denon 4806

 

[Seth=L]

I own it and am willing to sell it to you for $20,000. PM me, and I will give the details where to send the cash.

Denon 4806

I'll break you a deal, I'll give you $20 for the Denon.

 

[3db]

I agree whole heartedly with Seth on this Nad cannot compete with Yamaha and Denon or Marantz or Pioneer for that matter.....

Nonsense. The NAD won't keep up with the feature set of Denon and Yamaha but the NAD amps are way more robust than the Denons and the Yamaha. Wehn they advertise 120 watts per channel, it is with all channels driven. NAD is one of the companies that is most conservative with their power ratings.

 

[PENG]

Nonsense. The NAD won't keep up with the feature set of Denon and Yamaha but the NAD amps are way more robust than the Denons and the Yamaha. Wehn they advertise 120 watts per channel, it is with all channels driven. NAD is one of the companies that is most conservative with their power ratings.

The OP said price is not a factor so there is no need to consider the NAD at all. The NAD amps are not more robust that the Denon and Yamaha flag ship models people are talking about here, never mind "way more". As for the ACD rating, it is kind of a silly game that people like to play. Call it conservative all you want at the end of the day it is the power that can be put to good use that counts. NAD and HK tend to stick with ACD thing and in doing so that may end up short changing the amps and caps in favor of larger power supply transformers (just examples, among other things). Given a choice between 120X7 ACD, one should take say a Denon/Yamaha (e.g. the 3808) that may be rated 160X2, 120X5, 100X7 any day. Now, if you listen to 7 channel stereo all the time then I have nothing to say but I would think that most people don't do their critical listening of their favourite music in 7 or even 5 channel steoreo mode. NAD does make good amps that are robust, but no more so than Denon and Yamaha products that are within the same price group. IMHO this claim about them being "way more robust than.........." are the real nonsense/myths/hearsays that are not based on facts and science.

 

[3db]

The OP said price is not a factor so there is no need to consider the NAD at all. The NAD amps are not more robust that the Denon and Yamaha flag ship models people are talking about here, never mind "way more". As for the ACD rating, it is kind of a silly game that people like to play. Call it conservative all you want at the end of the day it is the power that can be put to good use that counts. NAD and HK tend to stick with ACD thing and in doing so that may end up short changing the amps and caps in favor of larger power supply transformers (just examples, among other things). Given a choice between 120X7 ACD, one should take say a Denon/Yamaha (e.g. the 3808) that may be rated 160X2, 120X5, 100X7 any day. Now, if you listen to 7 channel stereo all the time then I have nothing to say but I would think that most people don't do their critical listening of their favourite music in 7 or even 5 channel steoreo mode. NAD does make good amps that are robust, but no more so than Denon and Yamaha products that are within the same price group. IMHO this claim about them being "way more robust than.........." are the real nonsense/myths/hearsays that are not based on facts and science.

All the reviews I've ever read on NAD indicate that they meet their advertised power rating with all channels driven. Whether or not all channels driven is a real scenario isn't the point. The point is that the power supplies are capable of keeping up with the demand. Every review I read of the Yamaha and the Denons indicate a power reduction from advertised specs. That's what I'm basing this argeument on.

 

[PENG]

All the reviews I've ever read on NAD indicate that they meet their advertised power rating with all channels driven. Whether or not all channels driven is a real scenario isn't the point. The point is that the power supplies are capable of keeping up with the demand. Every review I read of the Yamaha and the Denons indicate a power reduction from advertised specs. That's what I'm basing this argeument on.

Denon/Yamaha tend to leverage their investment on things that matter more to most people. That does not make them less robust. They do give relatively more output in 1, 2 channel driven scenarios.

Anyway, it is a matter of interpretation, we are talking about slightly different things. I see your points too.

 

[3db]

Denon/Yamaha tend to leverage their investment on things that matter more to most people. That does not make them less robust. They do give relatively more output in 1, 2 channel driven scenarios.

Anyway, it is a matter of interpretation, we are talking about slightly different things. I see your points too.

Denon and Yamaha are much better than NAD in keeping up with latest video processing and audio processing technologies. I'm also not saying that Denon and Yamaha amps are of low grade quality. Just the opposite, I think they make excellent amplifiers as well.

 

[Seth=L]

The Onkyo TX-SR805 for example nearly meets (meaning falls short by maybe 5-10 watts) of meeting it's 130wpc spec with all channels driven. It far exceeds it's rating with 1 and 2 channels driven. That Onkyo has a robust amp section, there are Denons and Yamaha receivers that exceed that rating by large margins. The NAD would not keep pace in terms of power with the Yamaha RX-Z11 or the Denon AVR-5308.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The OP wants a $30,000 A/V Receiver, instead of a Pre-Pro + Amp separates.

 

[3db]

The Onkyo TX-SR805 for example nearly meets (meaning falls short by maybe 5-10 watts) of meeting it's 130wpc spec with all channels driven. It far exceeds it's rating with 1 and 2 channels driven. That Onkyo has a robust amp section, there are Denons and Yamaha receivers that exceed that rating by large margins. The NAD would not keep pace in terms of power with the Yamaha RX-Z11 or the Denon AVR-5308.

Seth, thats NAD conservative ratings. Here's a review of their 70watt receiver and HT Magazine's power measurement of this receiver.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/105nad/index2.html

As you can see, there's considerable more power than advertised by NAD.

 

[Seth=L]

Seth, thats NAD conservative ratings. Here's a review of their 70watt receiver and HT Magazine's power measurement of this receiver.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/105nad/index2.html

As you can see, there's considerable more power than advertised by NAD.

If you look at the Onkyo TX-SR606's benchtests you will see they run neck and neck in the ACD department, then the Onkyo does much better with 1 and 2 channel ratings than the NAD (which is nearly double in suggested retail back in '05).

 

[3db]

If you look at the Onkyo TX-SR606's benchtests you will see they run neck and neck in the ACD department, then the Onkyo does much better with 1 and 2 channel ratings than the NAD (which is nearly double in suggested retail back in '05).

Seth, the example I gave you was for T751, not the T786. The T751 pushed almost double its rated power of 70 watts to 136 watts into 2 channels. Now imagine the T786 doubling its 120 watts per channel to 240 watts?? NAD's 786 power delivery probably surpasses Denon's and Yamaha's power output but this last part is speculation estimating based on the T751's power output.

 

[Seth=L]

Seth, the example I gave you was for T751, not the T786. The T751 pushed almost double its rated power of 70 watts to 136 watts into 2 channels. Now imagine the T786 doubling its 120 watts per channel to 240 watts?? NAD's 786 power delivery probably surpasses Denon's and Yamaha's power output but this last part is speculation estimating based on the T751's power output.

That's great, we are now basing "real" amplifier performance off of speculation.

It was the T 753 by the way, which has a suggested retail of $999. That's much more than the TX-SR606. The TX-SR805 has a suggested retail half that of the T 786 and offers more features and more than likely similar power (since we are merely speculating).

The FACT remains that the T 786 does not have the best amplifier section of any receiver on the market, and certainly doesn't offer the biggest bang for buck. So the OP would not be buying the BEST if he/she buys the T 786.

I agree with AcuDefTechGuy in regards to seperates offering much better performance for the dollar.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

NAD has great products. But you just can't be the BEST unless you have the BEST Audio Codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD) & DACs (Burr-Brown PCM-1796), Video Chip (Silicon Optix Realta), & Features (6/2 HDMI1.3, WiFi, HD Radio, Internet Radio).

The power output of both the 5308 & Z11 are outstanding and can drive any speakers.

We'll have to wait and see how the new Pioneer Elite flagship AVR performs.

 

[3db]

That's great, we are now basing "real" amplifier performance off of speculation. .

I used NAD's histortical performance of them consistently beating their advertised specs by a large margin and I used interpolation to arrive at my conclusion.

It was the T 753 by the way, which has a suggested retail of $999. That's much more than the TX-SR606. The TX-SR805 has a suggested retail half that of the T 786 and offers more features and more than likely similar power (since we are merely speculating).

The FACT remains that the T 786 does not have the best amplifier section of any receiver on the market, and certainly doesn't offer the biggest bang for buck. So the OP would not be buying the BEST if he/she buys the T 786.

More and likely? Who's speculating now? Geez, I say one thing against Yamaha and Denon and you guys are over me liek flypaper. FACT is NAD consistently beat their advertised specs, Denon and Yamaha did not. Fact is, NADs power supplies are more robust than Denon or Yamaha whether you like ot hear it or not.

I agree with AcuDefTechGuy in regards to seperates offering much better performance for the dollar.

I agree. Seperates offer better performance than NAD, Yamaha, and Denon's flagship model. I never disputed that fact and have been advocating this ever since I joined this site. But I got beat up for that statement too but it turns out I was correct after all.

 

[jostenmeat]

Hey you guys, leave my PSB/NAD compatriot alone!! hehe

I have both Onkyo and NAD amps. I used to have the NAD driving electrostats that drop to 0.7 ohm, but I wouldn't trust my 805 to do that, as great of a value that I think it is. I'm always recommending it in any case.

But I agree that "best receiver" is almost a silly idea, of course unless space absolutely dictates the necessity.

And I'm sorry to say that I don't respect NADs other electronics, whether for features, or for reliability, as I do their amplifiers. And that comes from an Onkyo owner!!

 

[3db]

NAD has great products. But you just can't be the BEST unless you have the BEST Audio Codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD) & DACs (Burr-Brown PCM-1796), Video Chip (Silicon Optix Realta), & Features (6/2 HDMI1.3, WiFi, HD Radio, Internet Radio).

The power output of both the 5308 & Z11 are outstanding and can drive any speakers.

We'll have to wait and see how the new Pioneer Elite flagship AVR performs.

Its funny what people read into a thread. I said best amplifier section. I didn't say best A/V receiver.