Best Bookshelfs for Under $300

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John Bailey

Audioholic
2. My real question: As a newb, may I ask if Paradigm shows up on anybodies radar?
Paradigms show up all the time. They are a bit over the $300 range however unless on sale, and I haven't seen a sale on them lately.

John
 
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John Bailey

Audioholic
Not really, but then why is it that PSB is facing out maple color??? Last time I checked PSB was a Canadian company...:p
I don't think PSB is doing away with maple, just that the sale at Saturday Audio in Chicago is only good for the maple. I've been told they have black ash for a good price also, but more than the maple.

John
 
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Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
As long as your listening at low to moderate levels.

What's the worst that could happen? You make a classic receiver catch fire? No big deal. :eek:

I really have no clue. I'm learning myself.
Agreed! I would just be careful. If you start noticing it is running hot, you may want to look into other options. :)
 
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Guangui

Full Audioholic
I don't think PSB is doing away with maple, just that the sale at Saturday Audio in Chicago is only good for the maple. I've been told they have black ash for a good price also, but more than the maple.

John
From what I've heard apparently it is either a face out, or an overstock at PSB.

Anyways, what you heard about their price on black ash is true...I was going to buy maple from SA, but ended buying black; wife had a BIG concern about color. I ended up paying $198.00 more for the complete set (T45/C40/B15) in black. But, since they ran out of black B15 and gave me black B25 for the same price, basically I ended paying the same as if they were maple.
 
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Big_I

Audioholic Intern
What if?

I figure I'll beg someone to sell me a cheap used Emotiva BPA-1 if the Marantz can't handle the PSBs. Maybe someone will want to trade?
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I figure I'll beg someone to sell me a cheap used Emotiva BPA-1 if the Marantz can't handle the PSBs. Maybe someone will want to trade?
I'd be very surprised if your Marantz wouldn't be able to crank them to very loud levels. They are efficient speakers. Not a Klipsch efficiency but efficeint enough.
 
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Big_I

Audioholic Intern
Damping factor

I'd be very surprised if your Marantz wouldn't be able to crank them to very loud levels. They are efficient speakers. Not a Klipsch efficiency but efficeint enough.
Well the damping factor is pretty low on the <a href=http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/2230b.html>Marantz 2230</a> (note: 2230B specs are linked but should be the same). Its ~ 45 at 8 ohms.
 
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Guangui

Full Audioholic
I figure I'll beg someone to sell me a cheap used Emotiva BPA-1 if the Marantz can't handle the PSBs. Maybe someone will want to trade?
Emotiva will have their new version of BPA-1 available in April.

Marantz should be able to handle very well your PSB's. I have an SR-5001, and it doesn't even sweat moving my PSB's. PSB Synchrony and Platinum tend to be power hungry, but not their Image series.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
My PM7200 in class A mode only delivers 25w and it is plenty for all but the most demanding speakers I have thrown at it. During normal operation, especially with a bookshelf, you are drawing on average only 5-10 watts max at typical listening levels (dynamic peaks and heavy bass can spike up to 10X that though). If you want to crank it, it may be an issue, but the best way to find out is to try it.
 
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Big_I

Audioholic Intern
Got em'

Before:



I've been shaking my house with these for a few hours and the Marantz isn't even thinking about getting hot. Mucho bass for something this small (ie with:"Steppin' Razor" by Sublime or "Rudeboy Shufflin'" by Israel Vibrations... yeah!!!) ! Plenty loud with the volume knob only at 1/3. I can't use all those fancy terms you nerds use :)D) but I'm definitely hearing things in the music that I haven't before. The treble is screamin, and the mids tie it all together. Horns and drums sound great, much better than with the Fishers. Oh, and bass guitar.... wow!

My system is now:
Marantz 2230
PSB B25 x2
E-MU APS PC Soundcard with 1/4" outputs
1/4" to RCA Monster Interlink 201
Technics 1200 turntable
Sony CDP-CE525 CD player
Ipod Nano + 1/8" to RCA


Saturday Audio's customer service was pretty good. I paid with paypal and they shipped it right away.
 
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Big_I

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Bass....b.b..b.b.b....bass

I just ran some old Miami bass stuff though these... totally ridiculous that a bookshelf can hit this hard! Ever heard of Bass 305?
 
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John Bailey

Audioholic
Not a bad system my man! Bet it sounds great.

John
 
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Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
What's the temp in you neck of the woods????
This morning it was about -7, and hovered around -2 all day. Sun was out, and it was freezing. This isn't typical Vancouver weather.. it's usually raining.

SheepStar
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
Glad you are happy with your speakers.

Mucho bass for something this small (ie with:"Steppin' Razor" by Sublime or "Rudeboy Shufflin'" by Israel Vibrations... yeah!!!) !

A SUBLIME FAN!!! Steppin' Razor is a great bass test song (and a great song on it's own, Robbin' the Hood is a great album... BRADLEY R.I.P!@#!). Isreal Vibrations is great tunes too, I got some of their stuff on vinyl. Lots of other Sublime songs are great speaker tests too. Not the kind of speaker tests that tell you if a speaker is technically brilliant... Sublime songs are good for testing if a speaker has SOUL. ;) Great Stone, Legalize It, Miami, 89 Vision ("ooohhhhh you should see what ya young daughter do, what she can dooo... thanks for teaching her, all the dirty little things she can do... I taught her...a couple of tricks that I knew... I hope you enjoy 'em..when they coming back to you"), Let's Go Get Stoned, and of course April 29, 1992 (Miami). But all Sublime is amazing. ;)

Try some dubstep music on those too.

Oh, and props for having the 1200. I have a pair of 1210s through a Vestax mixer back home. ;) Technics are still the way to go. ;)
 
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dorokusai

dorokusai

Full Audioholic
My favorite bookend, sentimentally, is the KEF C15 and you can find them pretty cheap. It's an unassuming bookie, Al dome and does everything near-field just right. :) They have been my computer speakers for a long time and the first speakers(1987) to turn me onto hi-fi.

Mark
Polk Audio CS
 
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Guangui

Full Audioholic
Big I: I'm glad you are happy with your purchase. Sometimes there is no need to break the bank to obtain great sound, and PSB B25 is a proof of that.

Sheep: Sorry, to hear that...I'm freezing my butt here it is 72 Deg. F tonight.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Big I: I'm glad you are happy with your purchase. Sometimes there is no need to break the bank to obtain great sound, and PSB B25 is a proof of that.

Sheep: Sorry, to hear that...I'm freezing my butt here it is 72 Deg. F tonight.
To steal this thread for a second...

No sympathy for either of you from this devil.. Went to work at a balmy -24 yesterday and I think a heat wave hit us. Its up to -11 C and I'm sweating!!.Wait!! Perspiring !! :D


BIGI Congrats on your PSB. I knew your Marantz would not have any trouble driving them.
 
JK_Livin22

JK_Livin22

Audioholic Intern
I too am looking for some budget bookshelf speakers...

I too am looking for some budget bookshelf speakers. The speakers will be paired with a certified factory refurbished Marantz SR4001 that I bought my parents for Christmas (the surrounds btw are just some low end Klipsch satellites that came with a Samsung HTIB they purchased a few years ago). I am primarily looking for bookshelf speakers between $200-$300. The list I started with consisted of Monitor Audio's BR1s ($199) and BR2s ($279), Tannoy Mercury F1 Customs ($235), EPOS ELS 3 ($296), and Wharfedale 9.1s ($269). I am in a very rural area unfortunately, and do not have access to audition any of these speakers myself.

My Dad mostly listens to Classical music (I think he is especially fond of the piano), while my mom is a big fan of the 50's music (Elvis in particular, as well as Fats Domino, etc.) They also love to watch college basketball on their HD plasma TV and watch a movie about once a week or so. I would say that their system use is probably 55 to 60% music. With all of that in mind (especially the types of music they enjoy) I was hoping you could provide me with some comparative characteristics of these speakers.

From everything I've read, the BR2s would be ideal, except that they are really too large for the area. The speakers are going to be placed on a knee/thigh high entertainment stand, approx 4 feet apart on either side of the TV. I have basically narrowed it down to the BR1s the EPOS ELS 3s, and the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1s. I contacted Marantz and they said the SR4001 would have no problem driving a 4 ohm speaker. I have heard that sometimes 4 ohm speakers can sound muddy when paired with an amp that is not qualified for 4 ohms speakers. Do you have any thoughts on the EPOS (4 ohms) with this Marantz? I should also mention that at some point (probably will be next Christmas) we hope to add a fairly inexpensive sub to the system. But since this may be a year or better, I am wondering how much I should take into consideration each speaker’s low end (55Hz for the BR1s, 65Hz for the ELS3s, and 50Hz for the 9.1s).

Although they are pushing the upper limits for size, I am fond of the Wharfedales because of their build quality, the silk dome tweeters (which I feel would make them quite smooth), and the option for bi-wiring, as well as some really good reviews. Although a couple of comments have me just a little concerned that they may be too warm, or lacking detail or separation. What are your thoughts on that?

I am fond of the EPOS because of some rave reviews for them as well, not to mention all the good things that I have read about them on several forums. I guess my concern with them is if they will be adequate for HT use (weekly ball games and 2 or 3 movies a month) without adding a sub in the immediate future. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think these would not be smooth enough or be at all too bright given the types of music they will be listening to?

I have not found any reviews of the BR1s, but have read some impressive reviews about the BR2s (and even more impressive reviews about the SR6s, which I hope to purchase for myself in the next month or so).

I hope I haven’t asked you to repeat too much of what you stated in your earlier posts. I certainly appreciate any experience/knowledge you could share about these speakers especially as far as how suitable their characteristics are for the types of music I mentioned.

Ultimately I am hoping to get my parents to listen to and enjoy more music and therefore want to make sure that I get them a speaker with exceptional musicality (for a budget bookshelf) and to make sure that they are not too bright or in any way fatiguing.
At the moment I am leaning ever so slightly toward the Wharfedales.

Thanks in advance.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
I too am looking for some budget bookshelf speakers. The speakers will be paired with a certified factory refurbished Marantz SR4001 that I bought my parents for Christmas (the surrounds btw are just some low end Klipsch satellites that came with a Samsung HTIB they purchased a few years ago). I am primarily looking for bookshelf speakers between $200-$300. The list I started with consisted of Monitor Audio's BR1s ($199) and BR2s ($279), Tannoy Mercury F1 Customs ($235), EPOS ELS 3 ($296), and Wharfedale 9.1s ($269). I am in a very rural area unfortunately, and do not have access to audition any of these speakers myself.

My Dad mostly listens to Classical music (I think he is especially fond of the piano), while my mom is a big fan of the 50's music (Elvis in particular, as well as Fats Domino, etc.) They also love to watch college basketball on their HD plasma TV and watch a movie about once a week or so. I would say that their system use is probably 55 to 60% music. With all of that in mind (especially the types of music they enjoy) I was hoping you could provide me with some comparative characteristics of these speakers.

From everything I've read, the BR2s would be ideal, except that they are really too large for the area. The speakers are going to be placed on a knee/thigh high entertainment stand, approx 4 feet apart on either side of the TV. I have basically narrowed it down to the BR1s the EPOS ELS 3s, and the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1s. I contacted Marantz and they said the SR4001 would have no problem driving a 4 ohm speaker. I have heard that sometimes 4 ohm speakers can sound muddy when paired with an amp that is not qualified for 4 ohms speakers. Do you have any thoughts on the EPOS (4 ohms) with this Marantz? I should also mention that at some point (probably will be next Christmas) we hope to add a fairly inexpensive sub to the system. But since this may be a year or better, I am wondering how much I should take into consideration each speaker’s low end (55Hz for the BR1s, 65Hz for the ELS3s, and 50Hz for the 9.1s).

Although they are pushing the upper limits for size, I am fond of the Wharfedales because of their build quality, the silk dome tweeters (which I feel would make them quite smooth), and the option for bi-wiring, as well as some really good reviews. Although a couple of comments have me just a little concerned that they may be too warm, or lacking detail or separation. What are your thoughts on that?

I am fond of the EPOS because of some rave reviews for them as well, not to mention all the good things that I have read about them on several forums. I guess my concern with them is if they will be adequate for HT use (weekly ball games and 2 or 3 movies a month) without adding a sub in the immediate future. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think these would not be smooth enough or be at all too bright given the types of music they will be listening to?

I have not found any reviews of the BR1s, but have read some impressive reviews about the BR2s (and even more impressive reviews about the SR6s, which I hope to purchase for myself in the next month or so).

I hope I haven’t asked you to repeat too much of what you stated in your earlier posts. I certainly appreciate any experience/knowledge you could share about these speakers especially as far as how suitable their characteristics are for the types of music I mentioned.

Ultimately I am hoping to get my parents to listen to and enjoy more music and therefore want to make sure that I get them a speaker with exceptional musicality (for a budget bookshelf) and to make sure that they are not too bright or in any way fatiguing.
At the moment I am leaning ever so slightly toward the Wharfedales.

Thanks in advance.
I have a pair of ELS-3 setup right now in my 2ch system. Great little speakers whose strong point is the midrange. They go respectably low for their size and image very well. But they like quite a bit of power to really come alive.

 
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