Back on the market for a stereo or AVR

Ken32

Ken32

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Sold my onkyo rz820. Back on the market for a new unit. I’m torn between the new Aventage 1080 at 849. Or the Pioneer Elite sclx 701 at the same price. Yamaha known for build quality and the new model has a fancy backlit remote. Pioneer having class D amps aboard and more power to boot. Anyone have experience with either or previous models? Which would you choose and why?

Thanks.
 
Ken32

Ken32

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#3
Why did you sell the Onkyo? What features do you need? Why not consider D&M avrs too?
Had a Denon x4400h it’s was good. Didn’t sound any better than the onkyo when i compared them. I returned the x4400. They share the same DAC chips, for the price difference the onkyo was the winner. Sold the onkyo due to a move. Now that I’m settled, i want a new unit. I’m doing 2 Channel now, I’ve got surrounds on order. 5.2. Eventually Atmos.
 
everettT

everettT

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You can get the 9 series pioneer for right at a grand FWIW. I have one and the only issues I've had are updates taking a couple of times to take. Having said that the denon x34/5000 is the best barging going. With any of the mentioned units you would have to step up to 300 wpc amp to get a noticeable difference in spl.
 
Ken32

Ken32

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You can get the 9 series pioneer for right at a grand FWIW. I have one and the only issues I've had are updates taking a couple of times to take. Having said that the denon x34/5000 is the best barging going. With any of the mentioned units you would have to step up to 300 wpc amp to get a noticeable difference in spl.
How’s the sound quality on that pioneer of yours? I know they use the Sabre series DAC that Yamaha uses.
 
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kini

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If you liked the Onkyo just go back to it if you don't need more than 7 channels in the future. I have one (RZ820) and I really like it. To me the biggest advantage it has over Denon/Marantz is it doesn't run hot. IMO it looks nicer and the build quality is better than the D/M models in the same price range.
 
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snakeeyes

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#7
Sold my onkyo rz820. Back on the market for a new unit. I’m torn between the new Aventage 1080 at 849. Or the Pioneer Elite sclx 701 at the same price. Yamaha known for build quality and the new model has a fancy backlit remote. Pioneer having class D amps aboard and more power to boot. Anyone have experience with either or previous models? Which would you choose and why?

Thanks.
I love my Yamaha 2060 even with the old cluttered remote. :)
 
Ken32

Ken32

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#8
If you liked the Onkyo just go back to it if you don't need more than 7 channels in the future. I have one (RZ820) and I really like it. To me the biggest advantage it has over Denon/Marantz is it doesn't run hot. IMO it looks nicer and the build quality is better than the D/M models in the same price range.
I do not need more than 7 channels. I’m considering it. It’s onsale now for 549. But the Yamaha and Pioneer seem sweet as well. I hate making decisions lol
 
Sef_Makaro

Sef_Makaro

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About three weeks ago I bought a Yamaha RX-A3080. I almost got the 1080 but found the 3080 as a factory refurb and on sale.

It shares a lot with the 1080 you’re looking at. I can’t say how it compares to the Pioneer you’re looking at, but the Yamaha is pretty solid. I upgraded from a Marantz SR7008. Sound quality is about the same, most decent receivers probably won’t change the sound much on their own. The Yamaha has a bunch of premade sound fields. I ignore half of them because they’re the “Jazz Hall” “Hall in Echoville” type deal, but others like Sci-Fi/Adventure/Straight all process the sound a little different and have their own uses.

Honestly the best feature has turned out to be the phone app. My wife has actually be using our sound system because of the app. She didn’t like messing with anything beyond input selection on the Marantz, the menus were easy to get confused by. Now she’s trying different DSPs and figuring out what she likes. It’s much easier to sell her on putting money into a system she uses.

I don’t know what the policy is on linking to other sites, so I won’t for now. But the checked the same place I got my 3080 (for $1399),still has a 1080 for $749.
 
Ken32

Ken32

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#10
About three weeks ago I bought a Yamaha RX-A3080. I almost got the 1080 but found the 3080 as a factory refurb and on sale.

It shares a lot with the 1080 you’re looking at. I can’t say how it compares to the Pioneer you’re looking at, but the Yamaha is pretty solid. I upgraded from a Marantz SR7008. Sound quality is about the same, most decent receivers probably won’t change the sound much on their own. The Yamaha has a bunch of premade sound fields. I ignore half of them because they’re the “Jazz Hall” “Hall in Echoville” type deal, but others like Sci-Fi/Adventure/Straight all process the sound a little different and have their own uses.

Honestly the best feature has turned out to be the phone app. My wife has actually be using our sound system because of the app. She didn’t like messing with anything beyond input selection on the Marantz, the menus were easy to get confused by. Now she’s trying different DSPs and figuring out what she likes. It’s much easier to sell her on putting money into a system she uses.

I don’t know what the policy is on linking to other sites, so I won’t for now. But the checked the same place I got my 3080 (for $1399),still has a 1080 for $749.
I may just do the Pioneer. I love what Onkyo brings to the table as far as specs/price. As i mentioned before the Pioneer uses the same Sabre DAC that Yamaha uses. So the sound quality should be there. I’m also liking the class D amps.
 
Sef_Makaro

Sef_Makaro

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#11
I may just do the Pioneer. I love what Onkyo brings to the table as far as specs/price. As i mentioned before the Pioneer uses the same Sabre DAC that Yamaha uses. So the sound quality should be there. I’m also liking the class D amps.
Hard to go wrong with either. Similar enough specs, similar DAC, both have preouts if you decide you want an amp later.

They make a great pitch for their amp with “the ability to simultaneously drive 9-channels at 760 W power output”. I’m not an expert so I can’t prove or disprove that but it’s definitely different from what I’ve seen. Class D amps seem popular in AVRs now and they’re all efficient when compared to Class AB.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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#12
I may just do the Pioneer. I love what Onkyo brings to the table as far as specs/price. As i mentioned before the Pioneer uses the same Sabre DAC that Yamaha uses. So the sound quality should be there. I’m also liking the class D amps.
Hard to say that they're all that different anymore with them being the same company and some technology crossing over (believe MCACC tech has moved over to AccuEQ)
 
everettT

everettT

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#13
How’s the sound quality on that pioneer of yours? I know they use the Sabre series DAC that Yamaha uses.
I have no issues with SQ. I also have a x3400 I'm using as a preamp in another home and like it as well. I'm not concerned with auto eq as I use minidsp for my subs in the pioneer setup. I dont eq anything else.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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Pionner is still on the same production path as they were before the buyout. I have zero issues with mine.
You could be right. @M Code might have repair numbers for Pioneer.

I know he’s given us numbers for Yamaha vs Denon/Marantz, but I don’t recall much about Pioneer or Sony.

Sony ES has the best 5 YR warranty in the US for AVR.
 
everettT

everettT

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#17
I've owned pioneers and yamahas in my entire surround time and love both. Just purchased the x3400 as a preamp in my 2ch system and like it so far.
 
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PENG

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#18
How’s the sound quality on that pioneer of yours? I know they use the Sabre series DAC that Yamaha uses.
No, they don't use the same series. The Pioneer has the ES9016s, that has better spec than the ES9006/7 in the RX-A1080 and RX-A2080. It is comparable to the ES9026 in the RX-A3080 and the CX-A5200.

The AK4458 in the Denon X4400H and Onkyo RZ820 are arguably more comparable to the ES9006/7. They are already too good for human, so I do not believer people can hear a difference between those DAC chips (all else being equal). Specs are specs though, based on facts and figures, so some are better than others, audible or not.
 
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snakeeyes

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#19
No, they don't use the same series. The Pioneer has the ES9016s, that has better spec than the ES9006/7 in the RX-A1080 and RX-A2080. It is comparable to the ES9026 in the RX-A3080 and the CX-A5200.

The AK4458 in the Denon X4400H and Onkyo RZ820 are arguably more comparable to the ES9006/7. They are already too good for human, so I do not believer people can hear a difference between those DAC chips (all else being equal). Specs are specs though, based on facts and figures, so some are better than others, audible or not.
Agreed, only dogs and dolphins can tell. :)

Of course if money is not a limitation, why not have the best? Think most people know these are not meant to stay current or last forever. New features will come out every few years and you probably end up buying another one in 10 to 15 years even if you can live without those features. (If not sooner).

I like how @AcuDefTechGuy has a budget for upgrades. That’s my method too. :)
 
everettT

everettT

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#20
Agreed, only dogs and dolphins can tell. :)

Of course if money is not a limitation, why not have the best? Think most people know these are not meant to stay current or last forever. New features will come out every few years and you probably end up buying another one in 10 to 15 years even if you can live without those features. (If not sooner).

I like how @AcuDefTechGuy has a budget for upgrades. That’s my method too. :)
I agree. There is absolutely nothing wrong with esoteric gear if you can afford to waste money. I miss my blueish McIntosh back lights. There are a few here that have some less than positive thoughts on their amps with autoformers. I personally liked the couple I had.

So far the x3400, that is the preamp in a Salk 2.x system, performs above what was expected, and is an incredibly great value.

I'm also a huge fan of the Outlaw Audio preamps for being function more than form.
 

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